aab said he pantang dicabar...
before that, ali rustam said aab is a pengecut...
umno said no action will be taken against ali rustam...
onwards people power!...
p/s ; this is a question of principal... but then again, a blood-is-thicker-than-water case?!?...
Wednesday, November 14, 2007
from london and all over the world with love!...
understand there are about 10 countries had the same kinda bersih gathering/march in the respective malaysia embassy....
yes, let the world know about the crap we are going through as it will affect the fdis here and there!... perhaps they will be hit by this way, only then hopefully they will start opening up their eyes, mouth and ears to the rakyat!...
(http://rockybru.blogspot.com/2007/11/more-than-60000-turned-up.html)...
(http://ronnieliutiankhiew.wordpress.com/2007/11/11/bersih-solidarity-from-london/)...
p/s ; kudos to the them!...
yes, let the world know about the crap we are going through as it will affect the fdis here and there!... perhaps they will be hit by this way, only then hopefully they will start opening up their eyes, mouth and ears to the rakyat!...
(http://rockybru.blogspot.com/2007/11/more-than-60000-turned-up.html)...
(http://ronnieliutiankhiew.wordpress.com/2007/11/11/bersih-solidarity-from-london/)...
p/s ; kudos to the them!...
my open letter to nazri aziz... minister in the prime minister's department...
can also be found here...
(http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/14/pondan-an-open-letter-to-nazri/#more-700)...
i personally urge every single concern rakyat to write the same kinda letter.. let the 'leaders' know what are the thoughts of yours!... small, but effective step... eventho, they may not take any action on it... you know you did yr part!... this is another way to be pro-active for the concern rakyat to take their very first steps into righting the wrongs!...
p/s ; this is wat prompted me to write an open letter to him... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuGZRpD347I)...
Date : 13th November 2007
Datuk Seri Mohamed Nazri Abdul Aziz,
Prime Minister's Department,
Bangunan Parliament,
Jalan Parliament,
Kuala Lumpur,
Malaysia.
Subject : Parliament Hearing On the 12th November 2007 And Bersih Rally.
Dear Datuk Seri,
With reference to the above subject, I, as a concern rakyat of our
beloved and peaceful country, Malaysia, if allow and with much due
respect, would like to comment on the words you used in the August
hall.
Be it for opposition parties/people and/or to any other people who are
gifts fm The Man above, words like 'pondans', 'wimps', 'wires in their
heads are severed', 'bodoh', 'racist', 'perkauman', etc., to my honest
opinions, should not be use in the August hall where people all over
the world are watching us, especially with what is happening in our
country lately. Also, especially coming from someone who is serving
the country and her citizens under the prime minister's department.
Those kind of words like 'pondans', 'wimps', 'wires in their heads are
severed', 'bodoh', 'racist', 'perkauman', etc., was, to my honest opinion,
definitely uncalled for.
Yes, I, as a concern rakyat of our beloved and peaceful country,
Malaysia, know those may be one of the spur of the moment kind of
thing, but those kind of spur of the moment thing has been happening
very frequently lately and has been repeated time after time. Perhaps
Malaysiakini and Youtube have tons of the articles and video recordings
to prove it.
Datuk Seri, for your information, the 100,000 Bersih Rally was not a
political gathering and there was nothing political with that gathering. It
was meant for the concern rakyat from various backgrounds to gather
and march to the Istana Negara to submit a memorandum to the King
and to ask His Majesty for His royal pardon for a massive reformation
on the electoral roll which is tainted with smears of negativities.
With much due respect, I, as a concern rakyat of our beloved and
peaceful country, Malaysia, would also wants to know why are there
no action/s being taken by the election commission in hearing what
the rakyat wants which the rakyat have been longing for?. Is this
democratic or is this democracy?. The rakyat have definitely spoke
as one loud voice.
On the same subject, you may ask us, the rakyat to dissent our anger
via the ballot boxes, speak our mind via the ballot boxes, let our feelings
be known via the ballot boxes, etc., but, if the whole electoral roll is
tained with smear of negativities, how can the rakyat put their trust in
believing their votes will not be tainted with smear of negativities?.
Malaysia is a democratic country as many leaders in this country
would put it, but what is happening currently definitely proves
otherwise.
I, as a concern rakyat of our beloved and peaceful country, Malaysia,
would appreciate if you, as the minister in the prime minister's
department, could personally look into the interest of the rakyat, as
the rakyat are the greatest assets of this lovely and peaceful country,
definitely not any natural resources which will 'dry up' in due course
of time!.
Pls assist and let the voices of the rakyat be heard and together we
shall bring Malaysia back to her feet competing with the best in the
world, where the countries were once behind us in everything went
ahead of us in everything.
Have a good and productive day ahead!.
Thanking you in advance,
TT
(http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/14/pondan-an-open-letter-to-nazri/#more-700)...
i personally urge every single concern rakyat to write the same kinda letter.. let the 'leaders' know what are the thoughts of yours!... small, but effective step... eventho, they may not take any action on it... you know you did yr part!... this is another way to be pro-active for the concern rakyat to take their very first steps into righting the wrongs!...
p/s ; this is wat prompted me to write an open letter to him... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuGZRpD347I)...
Date : 13th November 2007
Datuk Seri Mohamed Nazri Abdul Aziz,
Prime Minister's Department,
Bangunan Parliament,
Jalan Parliament,
Kuala Lumpur,
Malaysia.
Subject : Parliament Hearing On the 12th November 2007 And Bersih Rally.
Dear Datuk Seri,
With reference to the above subject, I, as a concern rakyat of our
beloved and peaceful country, Malaysia, if allow and with much due
respect, would like to comment on the words you used in the August
hall.
Be it for opposition parties/people and/or to any other people who are
gifts fm The Man above, words like 'pondans', 'wimps', 'wires in their
heads are severed', 'bodoh', 'racist', 'perkauman', etc., to my honest
opinions, should not be use in the August hall where people all over
the world are watching us, especially with what is happening in our
country lately. Also, especially coming from someone who is serving
the country and her citizens under the prime minister's department.
Those kind of words like 'pondans', 'wimps', 'wires in their heads are
severed', 'bodoh', 'racist', 'perkauman', etc., was, to my honest opinion,
definitely uncalled for.
Yes, I, as a concern rakyat of our beloved and peaceful country,
Malaysia, know those may be one of the spur of the moment kind of
thing, but those kind of spur of the moment thing has been happening
very frequently lately and has been repeated time after time. Perhaps
Malaysiakini and Youtube have tons of the articles and video recordings
to prove it.
Datuk Seri, for your information, the 100,000 Bersih Rally was not a
political gathering and there was nothing political with that gathering. It
was meant for the concern rakyat from various backgrounds to gather
and march to the Istana Negara to submit a memorandum to the King
and to ask His Majesty for His royal pardon for a massive reformation
on the electoral roll which is tainted with smears of negativities.
With much due respect, I, as a concern rakyat of our beloved and
peaceful country, Malaysia, would also wants to know why are there
no action/s being taken by the election commission in hearing what
the rakyat wants which the rakyat have been longing for?. Is this
democratic or is this democracy?. The rakyat have definitely spoke
as one loud voice.
On the same subject, you may ask us, the rakyat to dissent our anger
via the ballot boxes, speak our mind via the ballot boxes, let our feelings
be known via the ballot boxes, etc., but, if the whole electoral roll is
tained with smear of negativities, how can the rakyat put their trust in
believing their votes will not be tainted with smear of negativities?.
Malaysia is a democratic country as many leaders in this country
would put it, but what is happening currently definitely proves
otherwise.
I, as a concern rakyat of our beloved and peaceful country, Malaysia,
would appreciate if you, as the minister in the prime minister's
department, could personally look into the interest of the rakyat, as
the rakyat are the greatest assets of this lovely and peaceful country,
definitely not any natural resources which will 'dry up' in due course
of time!.
Pls assist and let the voices of the rakyat be heard and together we
shall bring Malaysia back to her feet competing with the best in the
world, where the countries were once behind us in everything went
ahead of us in everything.
Have a good and productive day ahead!.
Thanking you in advance,
TT
have been challenged, abdullah ahmad badawi!... by m bakri musa...
rakyat juga pantang dicabar!...
Have Been Challenged, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi!
by M. Bakri Musa
“Saya pantang dicabar!” (lit: “I am allergic to challenges;” fig. “Don’t challenge me!”) declared Prime Minister Abdullah in an uncharacteristically bold assertion to the media on the eve of BERSIH’s massive street demonstrations in Kuala Lumpur last Saturday, November 10, 2007.
You have now been challenged, Mr. Prime Minister, openly and publicly by your own citizens, and you have emerged impotent! That huge street rally may be illegal to you, but the King had consented to receiving its leaders and their petition. In effect, the King too has challenged you, Abdullah! In case you did not get the message, you had just been served a very public royal rebuff.
I too, challenge you, Abdullah! Instead of arresting those ordinary citizen demonstrators, I dare you to arrest their leaders, Anwar Ibrahim, Hadi Awang, Lim Kit Siang, and Raja Petra Kamarudin. Those ordinary folks were merely exercising their basic rights as citizens of a democracy: the right to free assembly and to petition the authorities.
As per the refrain of the Ghostbusters theme song, “Who are you gonna call now!” Mr. Prime Minister? Your fabulous Fourth Floor boys? Your son-in-law who is using you as his “protection?” Imagine being considered as such by your son-in-law!
Khairy Jamaluddin obviously had not heard of your “demonstrations are not part of our Malay culture” bit. Either that or Khairy had blissfully ignored it as when he led that pathetic street demonstration against your official guest, US State Secretary Rice.
In a speech earlier in the week, Khairy demanded that the authorities “come down hard” on the BERSIH demonstrators. While there were some water cannons and tear gas canisters unloaded, the demonstrations went ahead smoothly and successfully to the palace. The police even released most of those arrested. Your son-in-law challenged you to be tough on the demonstrators, and you came out lembik (limp).
Dim Wit Understanding of Democracy
In denying the BERSIH demonstrators their police permit, Abdullah demonstrated only a dim wit understanding of democracy, akin to that held by Saddam Hussein and Pervez Musharraf. Both were voted in with over 98 percent of the votes, and they took that to mean they could ride roughshod over their country and citizens. Never mind that their elections were anything but fair and free.
Democracy means rule of the people, but it does not mean mob rule legitimized through the ballot box. Electoral victory is not a license for tyranny of the majority. As Fareed Zakaria wrote so eloquently in his book, The Future of Freedom, democracy is more than just elections. Even if elections were fair and free (far from the reality in Malaysia, hence the demonstrations!), obsession with or sole reliance on them would threaten the other far more important aspects like the rule of law, private property rights, separation of powers, and the right to free speech and to assemble freely.
Elections regular or otherwise, honest or rigged, do not guarantee these; only independent and impartial judges could. An independent judiciary is thus the hallmark as well as the guarantor of democracy and freedom, certainly much more than universal adult suffrage.
As for the state of the Malaysian judiciary, the Lingam tapes painfully showed what a sorry mess it is in. Even if BERSIH were completely successful with its petition and the Elections Commission completely overhauled, there is still the monumental task of cleaning up the judiciary and restoring its long lost integrity.
These points are elementary and obvious to all, save the dim witted.
Time to Deliver The Next Lesson
There is another feature of the dim witted; they are slow learners. It is unlikely for them to have learned a lesson from Bersih’s successful rally, or if they did it may not have stuck.
Since the only lesson that would register on their thick skulls is election returns, my friend Din Merican had started a campaign to register voters. The next step would be to ensure that they will vote against the Barisan coalition.
It would encourage voters to do that if there were to be substantial and effective co-ordination among the opposition parties to ensure that there would only be a one-on-one battle with the Barisan in every constituency. The objective here is rather modest, to inflict enough damage to the Barisan coalition such that it would precipitate internal squabbling especially within UMNO to trigger its implosion.
Selecting the best candidate, meaning one who would most likely defeat the Barisan’s nominee, involves studying the demographics of the constituency as well as the Barisan’s candidate. Since race is never far from voters’ considerations, the best avenue to neutralize this crucial factor would be to field candidates of the same race as the Barisan’s nominees. This was the clear lesson from the recent Ijok by-elections. Thus the opposition must be ready to change candidates on nomination day depending on who would represent Barisan.
For example, if Barisan were to re-nominate the current MCA candidate but at the last minute the seat were to go to UMNO, then the opposition must be ready to substitute a Malay candidate. If that party (like DAP for instance) cannot come up with a Malay nominee, then it should be willing to give the slot to a Malay from one of the other parties.
BERSIH’s victory should embolden the citizens to impart to the Barisan government the other equally important lesson: cleaning out the rot in the judiciary. No less than a full Royal Commission with full powers to subpoena witnesses and grant them immunity should be the objective. As Fareed Zakaria noted, an impartial and independent judiciary is the best guarantor of our freedoms and democracy. We must keep drumming these lessons lest they forget easily.
We must keep mencabar (challenging) Abdullah until he comes to his senses and realizes the obvious: the job of being a Prime Minister of our great nation is way above his head. If he does not, others either within or outside his party should be emboldened enough to tell him so.
(http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/12/you-have-been-challenged-abdullah-ahmad-badawi/)...
Have Been Challenged, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi!
by M. Bakri Musa
“Saya pantang dicabar!” (lit: “I am allergic to challenges;” fig. “Don’t challenge me!”) declared Prime Minister Abdullah in an uncharacteristically bold assertion to the media on the eve of BERSIH’s massive street demonstrations in Kuala Lumpur last Saturday, November 10, 2007.
You have now been challenged, Mr. Prime Minister, openly and publicly by your own citizens, and you have emerged impotent! That huge street rally may be illegal to you, but the King had consented to receiving its leaders and their petition. In effect, the King too has challenged you, Abdullah! In case you did not get the message, you had just been served a very public royal rebuff.
I too, challenge you, Abdullah! Instead of arresting those ordinary citizen demonstrators, I dare you to arrest their leaders, Anwar Ibrahim, Hadi Awang, Lim Kit Siang, and Raja Petra Kamarudin. Those ordinary folks were merely exercising their basic rights as citizens of a democracy: the right to free assembly and to petition the authorities.
As per the refrain of the Ghostbusters theme song, “Who are you gonna call now!” Mr. Prime Minister? Your fabulous Fourth Floor boys? Your son-in-law who is using you as his “protection?” Imagine being considered as such by your son-in-law!
Khairy Jamaluddin obviously had not heard of your “demonstrations are not part of our Malay culture” bit. Either that or Khairy had blissfully ignored it as when he led that pathetic street demonstration against your official guest, US State Secretary Rice.
In a speech earlier in the week, Khairy demanded that the authorities “come down hard” on the BERSIH demonstrators. While there were some water cannons and tear gas canisters unloaded, the demonstrations went ahead smoothly and successfully to the palace. The police even released most of those arrested. Your son-in-law challenged you to be tough on the demonstrators, and you came out lembik (limp).
Dim Wit Understanding of Democracy
In denying the BERSIH demonstrators their police permit, Abdullah demonstrated only a dim wit understanding of democracy, akin to that held by Saddam Hussein and Pervez Musharraf. Both were voted in with over 98 percent of the votes, and they took that to mean they could ride roughshod over their country and citizens. Never mind that their elections were anything but fair and free.
Democracy means rule of the people, but it does not mean mob rule legitimized through the ballot box. Electoral victory is not a license for tyranny of the majority. As Fareed Zakaria wrote so eloquently in his book, The Future of Freedom, democracy is more than just elections. Even if elections were fair and free (far from the reality in Malaysia, hence the demonstrations!), obsession with or sole reliance on them would threaten the other far more important aspects like the rule of law, private property rights, separation of powers, and the right to free speech and to assemble freely.
Elections regular or otherwise, honest or rigged, do not guarantee these; only independent and impartial judges could. An independent judiciary is thus the hallmark as well as the guarantor of democracy and freedom, certainly much more than universal adult suffrage.
As for the state of the Malaysian judiciary, the Lingam tapes painfully showed what a sorry mess it is in. Even if BERSIH were completely successful with its petition and the Elections Commission completely overhauled, there is still the monumental task of cleaning up the judiciary and restoring its long lost integrity.
These points are elementary and obvious to all, save the dim witted.
Time to Deliver The Next Lesson
There is another feature of the dim witted; they are slow learners. It is unlikely for them to have learned a lesson from Bersih’s successful rally, or if they did it may not have stuck.
Since the only lesson that would register on their thick skulls is election returns, my friend Din Merican had started a campaign to register voters. The next step would be to ensure that they will vote against the Barisan coalition.
It would encourage voters to do that if there were to be substantial and effective co-ordination among the opposition parties to ensure that there would only be a one-on-one battle with the Barisan in every constituency. The objective here is rather modest, to inflict enough damage to the Barisan coalition such that it would precipitate internal squabbling especially within UMNO to trigger its implosion.
Selecting the best candidate, meaning one who would most likely defeat the Barisan’s nominee, involves studying the demographics of the constituency as well as the Barisan’s candidate. Since race is never far from voters’ considerations, the best avenue to neutralize this crucial factor would be to field candidates of the same race as the Barisan’s nominees. This was the clear lesson from the recent Ijok by-elections. Thus the opposition must be ready to change candidates on nomination day depending on who would represent Barisan.
For example, if Barisan were to re-nominate the current MCA candidate but at the last minute the seat were to go to UMNO, then the opposition must be ready to substitute a Malay candidate. If that party (like DAP for instance) cannot come up with a Malay nominee, then it should be willing to give the slot to a Malay from one of the other parties.
BERSIH’s victory should embolden the citizens to impart to the Barisan government the other equally important lesson: cleaning out the rot in the judiciary. No less than a full Royal Commission with full powers to subpoena witnesses and grant them immunity should be the objective. As Fareed Zakaria noted, an impartial and independent judiciary is the best guarantor of our freedoms and democracy. We must keep drumming these lessons lest they forget easily.
We must keep mencabar (challenging) Abdullah until he comes to his senses and realizes the obvious: the job of being a Prime Minister of our great nation is way above his head. If he does not, others either within or outside his party should be emboldened enough to tell him so.
(http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/12/you-have-been-challenged-abdullah-ahmad-badawi/)...
Sunday, November 11, 2007
sharing my personal experience on the bersih gathering/march and what i have learned...
"people should not be afraid of their governments, the governmets should be afraid of their people"...
precisely!...
when i got up approx 1100 hours on 10th october 2007, i know i will be part of the history in malaysia!...
just want to briefly share what i experienced in the bersih gathering/march which i attended with much enthusiasm!...
as most of you already know there are 4 meeting points for meet-up before we marched to dataran merdeka before we proceed to the palace to submit the memorandum to the king on asking for a massize reformation to the electoral roll.... i went to the sogo meeting point...
expecting the massive traffic out there... i took the public transport... i boarded the ktm komuter in kl sentral at approx 1145 hours... waited for at least 30 mins before the train actually moved an inch... apparently they have some 'technical problems' at the station in front... but, there was about 3 trains opposite the coach am in passed us by from the station in front of us!... 'technical problems' eh?!?... want to delay/deny us, say so lah... we understand the fear and uncertainties of certain people... :) ...
reached sogo approx 1245 hours, not before going though tens of police personnel starring at you as if you are a criminal, took my lunch and walked around and more and more people can be seen... i knew this is gonna be huge, really huge!... police personnels were all over the place inside and outside sogo then and helicopter right above us 'drowning' the noise of the people... a real low way of doing things eh?!?...
joined my group opposite sogo, which was only about 10 of us... had a drink with them.. changed into my xxxl yellow bersih t-shirt and voila... we marched towards the main entrance of sogo and greeted by roars and claps by hundreds of others, which was mainly pas supporters... made way for the 10 of us to be placed right in the middle of the group.... right after we arrived, one guy took over the meet-up with a prayer... at that particular time, the muhibbah thing struck me really hard... needless to say, the irritating helicopter which was flying really low 'drown' the prayers...
after the prayers, we started our march at approx 1400 hours with very gloomy looking sky above us!... minutes into our march just before the dbkl building on our right, it started pouring... came well prepared with plastic bags and a backpack to keep my stuffs dry.... :) ... fru set-up a barricade infront of us, they practically set up barricades surrounding the whole of dataran merdeka!... we then marched towards the main entrance of royal selangor club greeted by many others who was having their lunch there and the motorists opposite us kept honking at us and showing the thumbs up sign as support and that basically kept us moving further in the heavy downpour!... we passed the masjid negara opposite us minutes later.... thousands of them came over to join us, if am not mistaken including some heavy weights too fm that meeting point, at that time the crowd grew to easily to at least 400 meters long...
basically the 'chanting' of "daulat tuanku"... "hidup rakyat"... "hancur kezaliman"... hancur rasuah"... the takbir... etc.... heard even louder then...
at that particular time, i knew very much we are not heading to dataran merdeka, instead we will be marching towards the palace directly!...
as we were passing the chinese assembly hall, another group join us... as this particular time, the crowd grew to at least 600 meters long!... a sea of yellow can be seen when i looked back, a beautiful and motivating sight!... at that time, the rain start slowing down...
as we were passing by public bank on our right and nearing the palace... thousands more joined the line... it was at this time i spotted a guy in crutches with a leg amputated, all soaked up, marching his way to the palace... this stunned me for a while thinking how can a person with one leg do this!.. shame one me when the first i heard about this bersih gathering/march, i was actually thinking and contemplating whether to go for it or not!... shame on me!... i have the utmost respect for that guy!... God bless him, whoever he is!...
we reached at the main entrance of the palace at approx 1500 hours... some heavy weights gave some short speeches... at approx 1530 hours or so, the memorandum were submitted to the king's special assistant or to someone along that line... still drizzling at that time... met my eldest brother there who were also drenched in the rain, am surprised he actually came for it tho!... :) ... i thought it was a joke when he told me he is coming!... my second nephew could not make it, although my eldest brother and myself very much want him to come and be exposed to all these things and to all the crap we are going through!.... he came by lrt... walked all the way fm central market.. understand fm him that particular trip he took was the last trip that the lrt gonna stop in central market station... talk about 'manipulation' eh?!?... :) ... he was stunned when he was in the lrt looking down and saw seas of yellow marching towards the same direction.. as he put it... "it was a very nice sight"!... i would get goosebumps when i see that!.. btw, understand from him that my eldest nephew's friend stopped by police twice, when he was on his way for some frisbee competition/training, because he wore a yellow shirt!.. wtf?!?...
the whole things finished by approx 1600 hours... it was another long walk for both of us to get a cab home...
understand that there was approx 80 people arrested (probably for 'formalities') in masjid jamek meeting point... mainly pas supporters/unit amal people... water cannon, tear gas and chemical were sprayed/released!... until now (2245 hours on 10th november 2007) no concrete confirmation on this... we shall wait for the official reports/news in the next couple of days...
things i learnt fm this bersih gathering/march... in no particular order...
1) if you have the same vision and mission for a particular... race and religion does not matter, both this 2 issues won't play a part in it...
2) this bersih gathering/march is indeed a very loud voice to the current ruling bn/umno rotten to the core government!...
3) there are people who are actually very afraid when they read about the news saying no permit given, fear of certain things, etc... but, they want things to be changed!...
4) no matter whatever ways they may be using to stop us fm attending this bersih gathering/march.. NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING can stop us!...
5) it's very nice and comforting to see malaysia still have hope!...
6) it's very nice and comforting to see people march arms in arms regardless who you may be!...
7) unit amal is very professional in handling things!...
8) there are people who love malaysia to bits!...
9) my love for the country went a step deeper!...
10) it's good to expose yr kids to all these things!...
11) my parents and my immediate family members are very supportive of all these things, as they believe in wat the current rulling bn/umno rotten to the core government is doing is very wrong and one sided!...
12) the police created the extremely massive traffic jams all over the klang valley, not the people!...
13) the irritating/annoying sound of helicopters can work better than police car siren!...
14) kyros kebab in sogo is yummilicious!... :) ...
15) it was nice to walk around sogo after such a long time, sogo used to be one of my favourite places to hang out after school!...
16) always have the interest in politics since primary school... if not for monetary issues for now, i WILL take the plunge into politics full time, of course with my parents's blessings, which i think they will give me tho!... :) ...
17) every little tiny help fm everyone, do make a different!...
18) this bersih gathering/march is not a political gathering/march.. no party flags, t-shirts, logo, etc... should be seen... we see nothing political in this bersih gathering/march... people can be very well discipline if it make sense to them tho!...
19) if am aab, i better have the biggest headache now tho!...
20) the chinese and indians in particular must be pro-active in making the country a better, cleaner, fairer and colour blind to live in!... i respect the malays in being very pro-active in these kinda gathering/march... nope, am not talking about those people fm the rotten to the core umno!...
21) kj is really no one.. he is just some dude fm kuwait, some datuk and datin's son... graduated fm a well-known university, hooked up with aab's daughter and voila... he is 'someone' now... also, he can certainly get along very well with power and money now tho!...
22) nazri may say... "this is not the majority, we have 27 million rakyat, only 40,000 turned up"!...
23) it will be interesting to hear mm's point of view on this bersih gathering/march!...
24) general election may not be so soon after all...
25) i still get goosebumps when watching this video, after countless of times... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ycaduE_D4)!...
26) this is just the beginning to many more things to come, we must continue the struggle... pls do your part!...
reports fm al jazeera...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzqSddWkxGs)...
more videos in malaysiakini...
(http://www.malaysiakini.tv/)...
pix galore!...
(http://www.malaysia-today.net/nuc2006/report07.php?itemid=208)...
( http://www.malaysia-today.net/nuc2006/report07.php?itemid=216)...
(http://malaysianunplug.blogspot.com/2007/11/damn-this-umno-led-government-for-tear.html)...
(http://picasaweb.google.com/pemudawp/BersihRally)...
( http://www.flickr.com/photos/19725396@N07/)...
(http://jahilgoblog.net/gambaq/main.php)...
( http://www.meshio.com/index.php/2007/11/photos-from-10th-november-bersih-rally/)...
spot the difference...
between this...
(http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/11/11/nation/19443759&sec=nation)...
and this...
(http://www.suaram.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=778&Itemid=1)...
well, i dun blame the reporters fm the star tho... the star is perhaps another component party of barisan nasional tho!...
34 instead of 245... bigger number to 'create fear' in the rakyat?!?... they must be thinking the rakyat are some stupid uneducated fellas eh!...
p/s ; any difference between detained and arrested?!?...
precisely!...
when i got up approx 1100 hours on 10th october 2007, i know i will be part of the history in malaysia!...
just want to briefly share what i experienced in the bersih gathering/march which i attended with much enthusiasm!...
as most of you already know there are 4 meeting points for meet-up before we marched to dataran merdeka before we proceed to the palace to submit the memorandum to the king on asking for a massize reformation to the electoral roll.... i went to the sogo meeting point...
expecting the massive traffic out there... i took the public transport... i boarded the ktm komuter in kl sentral at approx 1145 hours... waited for at least 30 mins before the train actually moved an inch... apparently they have some 'technical problems' at the station in front... but, there was about 3 trains opposite the coach am in passed us by from the station in front of us!... 'technical problems' eh?!?... want to delay/deny us, say so lah... we understand the fear and uncertainties of certain people... :) ...
reached sogo approx 1245 hours, not before going though tens of police personnel starring at you as if you are a criminal, took my lunch and walked around and more and more people can be seen... i knew this is gonna be huge, really huge!... police personnels were all over the place inside and outside sogo then and helicopter right above us 'drowning' the noise of the people... a real low way of doing things eh?!?...
joined my group opposite sogo, which was only about 10 of us... had a drink with them.. changed into my xxxl yellow bersih t-shirt and voila... we marched towards the main entrance of sogo and greeted by roars and claps by hundreds of others, which was mainly pas supporters... made way for the 10 of us to be placed right in the middle of the group.... right after we arrived, one guy took over the meet-up with a prayer... at that particular time, the muhibbah thing struck me really hard... needless to say, the irritating helicopter which was flying really low 'drown' the prayers...
after the prayers, we started our march at approx 1400 hours with very gloomy looking sky above us!... minutes into our march just before the dbkl building on our right, it started pouring... came well prepared with plastic bags and a backpack to keep my stuffs dry.... :) ... fru set-up a barricade infront of us, they practically set up barricades surrounding the whole of dataran merdeka!... we then marched towards the main entrance of royal selangor club greeted by many others who was having their lunch there and the motorists opposite us kept honking at us and showing the thumbs up sign as support and that basically kept us moving further in the heavy downpour!... we passed the masjid negara opposite us minutes later.... thousands of them came over to join us, if am not mistaken including some heavy weights too fm that meeting point, at that time the crowd grew to easily to at least 400 meters long...
basically the 'chanting' of "daulat tuanku"... "hidup rakyat"... "hancur kezaliman"... hancur rasuah"... the takbir... etc.... heard even louder then...
at that particular time, i knew very much we are not heading to dataran merdeka, instead we will be marching towards the palace directly!...
as we were passing the chinese assembly hall, another group join us... as this particular time, the crowd grew to at least 600 meters long!... a sea of yellow can be seen when i looked back, a beautiful and motivating sight!... at that time, the rain start slowing down...
as we were passing by public bank on our right and nearing the palace... thousands more joined the line... it was at this time i spotted a guy in crutches with a leg amputated, all soaked up, marching his way to the palace... this stunned me for a while thinking how can a person with one leg do this!.. shame one me when the first i heard about this bersih gathering/march, i was actually thinking and contemplating whether to go for it or not!... shame on me!... i have the utmost respect for that guy!... God bless him, whoever he is!...
we reached at the main entrance of the palace at approx 1500 hours... some heavy weights gave some short speeches... at approx 1530 hours or so, the memorandum were submitted to the king's special assistant or to someone along that line... still drizzling at that time... met my eldest brother there who were also drenched in the rain, am surprised he actually came for it tho!... :) ... i thought it was a joke when he told me he is coming!... my second nephew could not make it, although my eldest brother and myself very much want him to come and be exposed to all these things and to all the crap we are going through!.... he came by lrt... walked all the way fm central market.. understand fm him that particular trip he took was the last trip that the lrt gonna stop in central market station... talk about 'manipulation' eh?!?... :) ... he was stunned when he was in the lrt looking down and saw seas of yellow marching towards the same direction.. as he put it... "it was a very nice sight"!... i would get goosebumps when i see that!.. btw, understand from him that my eldest nephew's friend stopped by police twice, when he was on his way for some frisbee competition/training, because he wore a yellow shirt!.. wtf?!?...
the whole things finished by approx 1600 hours... it was another long walk for both of us to get a cab home...
understand that there was approx 80 people arrested (probably for 'formalities') in masjid jamek meeting point... mainly pas supporters/unit amal people... water cannon, tear gas and chemical were sprayed/released!... until now (2245 hours on 10th november 2007) no concrete confirmation on this... we shall wait for the official reports/news in the next couple of days...
things i learnt fm this bersih gathering/march... in no particular order...
1) if you have the same vision and mission for a particular... race and religion does not matter, both this 2 issues won't play a part in it...
2) this bersih gathering/march is indeed a very loud voice to the current ruling bn/umno rotten to the core government!...
3) there are people who are actually very afraid when they read about the news saying no permit given, fear of certain things, etc... but, they want things to be changed!...
4) no matter whatever ways they may be using to stop us fm attending this bersih gathering/march.. NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING can stop us!...
5) it's very nice and comforting to see malaysia still have hope!...
6) it's very nice and comforting to see people march arms in arms regardless who you may be!...
7) unit amal is very professional in handling things!...
8) there are people who love malaysia to bits!...
9) my love for the country went a step deeper!...
10) it's good to expose yr kids to all these things!...
11) my parents and my immediate family members are very supportive of all these things, as they believe in wat the current rulling bn/umno rotten to the core government is doing is very wrong and one sided!...
12) the police created the extremely massive traffic jams all over the klang valley, not the people!...
13) the irritating/annoying sound of helicopters can work better than police car siren!...
14) kyros kebab in sogo is yummilicious!... :) ...
15) it was nice to walk around sogo after such a long time, sogo used to be one of my favourite places to hang out after school!...
16) always have the interest in politics since primary school... if not for monetary issues for now, i WILL take the plunge into politics full time, of course with my parents's blessings, which i think they will give me tho!... :) ...
17) every little tiny help fm everyone, do make a different!...
18) this bersih gathering/march is not a political gathering/march.. no party flags, t-shirts, logo, etc... should be seen... we see nothing political in this bersih gathering/march... people can be very well discipline if it make sense to them tho!...
19) if am aab, i better have the biggest headache now tho!...
20) the chinese and indians in particular must be pro-active in making the country a better, cleaner, fairer and colour blind to live in!... i respect the malays in being very pro-active in these kinda gathering/march... nope, am not talking about those people fm the rotten to the core umno!...
21) kj is really no one.. he is just some dude fm kuwait, some datuk and datin's son... graduated fm a well-known university, hooked up with aab's daughter and voila... he is 'someone' now... also, he can certainly get along very well with power and money now tho!...
22) nazri may say... "this is not the majority, we have 27 million rakyat, only 40,000 turned up"!...
23) it will be interesting to hear mm's point of view on this bersih gathering/march!...
24) general election may not be so soon after all...
25) i still get goosebumps when watching this video, after countless of times... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ycaduE_D4)!...
26) this is just the beginning to many more things to come, we must continue the struggle... pls do your part!...
reports fm al jazeera...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzqSddWkxGs)...
more videos in malaysiakini...
(http://www.malaysiakini.tv/)...
pix galore!...
(http://www.malaysia-today.net/nuc2006/report07.php?itemid=208)...
( http://www.malaysia-today.net/nuc2006/report07.php?itemid=216)...
(http://malaysianunplug.blogspot.com/2007/11/damn-this-umno-led-government-for-tear.html)...
(http://picasaweb.google.com/pemudawp/BersihRally)...
( http://www.flickr.com/photos/19725396@N07/)...
(http://jahilgoblog.net/gambaq/main.php)...
( http://www.meshio.com/index.php/2007/11/photos-from-10th-november-bersih-rally/)...
spot the difference...
between this...
(http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/11/11/nation/19443759&sec=nation)...
and this...
(http://www.suaram.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=778&Itemid=1)...
well, i dun blame the reporters fm the star tho... the star is perhaps another component party of barisan nasional tho!...
34 instead of 245... bigger number to 'create fear' in the rakyat?!?... they must be thinking the rakyat are some stupid uneducated fellas eh!...
p/s ; any difference between detained and arrested?!?...
goosebumps...
5 mins 14 seconds of goosebumps is certainly a long time to go through!...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ycaduE_D4)...
especially the part at 0.43 seconds...
so what we have skyscrappers.. so what we sent someone to space... etc... if we still have the hardcore poor living right smack in the middle of the city?!?...
nep crap?!?... so they can use the hardcore poor as a reason to carry on with the nep, in order to continue 'helping them'?!?...
pls come for the 1000,000 gathering/march... may be a very small, but a very significant step of you doing so... perhaps, it may be YOUR stepping in helping malaysia to get on the feet again!....
the 'official' song for the bersih gathering/march...
"Man In The Mirror"
I'm Gonna Make A Change,
For Once In My Life
It's Gonna Feel Real Good,
Gonna Make A Difference
Gonna Make It Right . . .
As I, Turn Up The Collar On My
Favourite Winter Coat
This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind
I See The Kids In The Street,
With Not Enough To Eat
Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See
Their Needs
A Summer's Disregard,
A Broken Bottle Top
And A One Man's Soul
They Follow Each Other On
The Wind Ya' Know
'Cause They Got Nowhere
To Go
That's Why I Want You To
Know
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)
(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah)
I've Been A Victim Of A Selfish
Kind Of Love
It's Time That I Realize
That There Are Some With No
Home, Not A Nickel To Loan
Could It Be Really Me,
Pretending That They're Not
Alone?
A Willow Deeply Scarred,
Somebody's Broken Heart
And A Washed-Out Dream
(Washed-Out Dream)
They Follow The Pattern Of
The Wind, Ya' See
Cause They Got No Place
To Be
That's Why I'm Starting With
Me
(Starting With Me!)
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Ooh!)
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change)
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I'm Asking Him To Change His
Ways
(Change His Ways-Ooh!)
And No Message Could've
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make That . . .
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make That . . .)
Change!
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror,
(Man In The Mirror-Oh
Yeah!)
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Better Change!)
No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make The Change)
(You Gotta Get It Right, While
You Got The Time)
('Cause When You Close Your
Heart)
You Can't Close Your . . .Your
Mind!
(Then You Close Your . . .
Mind!)
That Man, That Man, That
Man, That Man
With That Man In The Mirror
(Man In The Mirror, Oh Yeah!)
That Man, That Man, That Man
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Better Change!)
You Know . . .That Man
No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change)
Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo!
Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah
(Oh Yeah!)
Gonna Feel Real Good Now!
Yeah Yeah! Yeah Yeah!
Yeah Yeah!
Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah
(Ooooh . . .)
Oh No, No No . . .
I'm Gonna Make A Change
It's Gonna Feel Real Good!
Come On!
(Change . . .)
Just Lift Yourself
You Know
You've Got To Stop It.
Yourself!
(Yeah!-Make That Change!)
I've Got To Make That Change,
Today!
Hoo!
(Man In The Mirror)
You Got To
You Got To Not Let Yourself . . .
Brother . . .
Hoo!
(Yeah!-Make That Change!)
You Know-I've Got To Get
That Man, That Man . . .
(Man In The Mirror)
You've Got To
You've Got To Move! Come
On! Come On!
You Got To . . .
Stand Up! Stand Up!
Stand Up!
(Yeah-Make That Change)
Stand Up And Lift
Yourself, Now!
(Man In The Mirror)
Hoo! Hoo! Hoo!
Aaow!
(Yeah-Make That Change)
Gonna Make That Change . . .
Come On!
(Man In The Mirror)
You Know It!
You Know It!
You Know It!
You Know . . .
(Change . . .)
Make That Change.
(http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/michaeljackson/maninthemirror.html
p/s ; pls come and make the change!...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ycaduE_D4)...
especially the part at 0.43 seconds...
so what we have skyscrappers.. so what we sent someone to space... etc... if we still have the hardcore poor living right smack in the middle of the city?!?...
nep crap?!?... so they can use the hardcore poor as a reason to carry on with the nep, in order to continue 'helping them'?!?...
pls come for the 1000,000 gathering/march... may be a very small, but a very significant step of you doing so... perhaps, it may be YOUR stepping in helping malaysia to get on the feet again!....
the 'official' song for the bersih gathering/march...
"Man In The Mirror"
I'm Gonna Make A Change,
For Once In My Life
It's Gonna Feel Real Good,
Gonna Make A Difference
Gonna Make It Right . . .
As I, Turn Up The Collar On My
Favourite Winter Coat
This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind
I See The Kids In The Street,
With Not Enough To Eat
Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See
Their Needs
A Summer's Disregard,
A Broken Bottle Top
And A One Man's Soul
They Follow Each Other On
The Wind Ya' Know
'Cause They Got Nowhere
To Go
That's Why I Want You To
Know
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)
(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah)
I've Been A Victim Of A Selfish
Kind Of Love
It's Time That I Realize
That There Are Some With No
Home, Not A Nickel To Loan
Could It Be Really Me,
Pretending That They're Not
Alone?
A Willow Deeply Scarred,
Somebody's Broken Heart
And A Washed-Out Dream
(Washed-Out Dream)
They Follow The Pattern Of
The Wind, Ya' See
Cause They Got No Place
To Be
That's Why I'm Starting With
Me
(Starting With Me!)
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Ooh!)
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change)
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I'm Asking Him To Change His
Ways
(Change His Ways-Ooh!)
And No Message Could've
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make That . . .
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make That . . .)
Change!
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror,
(Man In The Mirror-Oh
Yeah!)
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Better Change!)
No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make The Change)
(You Gotta Get It Right, While
You Got The Time)
('Cause When You Close Your
Heart)
You Can't Close Your . . .Your
Mind!
(Then You Close Your . . .
Mind!)
That Man, That Man, That
Man, That Man
With That Man In The Mirror
(Man In The Mirror, Oh Yeah!)
That Man, That Man, That Man
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Better Change!)
You Know . . .That Man
No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change)
Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo!
Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah
(Oh Yeah!)
Gonna Feel Real Good Now!
Yeah Yeah! Yeah Yeah!
Yeah Yeah!
Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah
(Ooooh . . .)
Oh No, No No . . .
I'm Gonna Make A Change
It's Gonna Feel Real Good!
Come On!
(Change . . .)
Just Lift Yourself
You Know
You've Got To Stop It.
Yourself!
(Yeah!-Make That Change!)
I've Got To Make That Change,
Today!
Hoo!
(Man In The Mirror)
You Got To
You Got To Not Let Yourself . . .
Brother . . .
Hoo!
(Yeah!-Make That Change!)
You Know-I've Got To Get
That Man, That Man . . .
(Man In The Mirror)
You've Got To
You've Got To Move! Come
On! Come On!
You Got To . . .
Stand Up! Stand Up!
Stand Up!
(Yeah-Make That Change)
Stand Up And Lift
Yourself, Now!
(Man In The Mirror)
Hoo! Hoo! Hoo!
Aaow!
(Yeah-Make That Change)
Gonna Make That Change . . .
Come On!
(Man In The Mirror)
You Know It!
You Know It!
You Know It!
You Know . . .
(Change . . .)
Make That Change.
(http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/michaeljackson/maninthemirror.html
p/s ; pls come and make the change!...
30 seconds conversation with my mum...
this took place couple of days back over the dining table....
mum : boy.. you going to the march?!?.. (as in the bersih gathering/march)...
me : yup... why?!?...
mum : just becareful... some people may start some kinda scene there...
me : ok, don't worry lah.. everything will be ok... if there's something go wrong, there are always laws and regulations to it!...
mum : what law?!?... this country have laws?!?...
me : ya.... errrr.... hmmmm.... probably we are having 2 sets of law... 1 for the current government and 1 for the rakyat...
p/s ; pls struggle for a massive reformation on the judiciary system too!...
mum : boy.. you going to the march?!?.. (as in the bersih gathering/march)...
me : yup... why?!?...
mum : just becareful... some people may start some kinda scene there...
me : ok, don't worry lah.. everything will be ok... if there's something go wrong, there are always laws and regulations to it!...
mum : what law?!?... this country have laws?!?...
me : ya.... errrr.... hmmmm.... probably we are having 2 sets of law... 1 for the current government and 1 for the rakyat...
p/s ; pls struggle for a massive reformation on the judiciary system too!...
additional 38 seconds of the video clip that rocked the nation released... still wanna 'deny'?!?...
aha!...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1axXtiPjsQ)...
related posting here... (http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=891182&confid=658)...
p/s ; lingam, where art thou?!?...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1axXtiPjsQ)...
related posting here... (http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=891182&confid=658)...
p/s ; lingam, where art thou?!?...
Thursday, November 08, 2007
son-in-law on the 1000,000 gathering/march...
dun really wanna blog about the current umno assembly... i dun really blog about crap and lies...
anyway, am pretty interested with the famous son-in-law on what is he gonna say, how is he gonna act, etc... in the general umno assembly 2007...
he is no one.. not a member of parliament, not a datuk, not anybody... except some fella who act like a somebody fm some kampung who studied in overseas, came back, hooked up with aab's daughter and voila... power and money certainly got along with him pretty well... :) ...
anyway, petik jari kepala hotak hang!..
(http://www.malaysiakini.tv/?vid=1462)...
his arrogance rocks!... :) ... he is certainly is showing his newborn baby a very bad example...
btw, if anyone know this clown personally... tell him to stand in the urban areas for the general election..
kalau setakat nak bertanding kat kampung-kampung, usahlah nak bercerita lebih-lebih, tak larat nak dengar... :) ...
if anyone of you know clowns like nazri, zam, etc.... tell them the same thing too!...
p/s ; people in and up there can only con those 'non-it-savy' people who are restricted to news and issues happening day in day out in this country... wanna get them to try using the 'bonuses' like sewing machines, washing machines, school bags, etc.. in urban area?!?...
anyway, am pretty interested with the famous son-in-law on what is he gonna say, how is he gonna act, etc... in the general umno assembly 2007...
he is no one.. not a member of parliament, not a datuk, not anybody... except some fella who act like a somebody fm some kampung who studied in overseas, came back, hooked up with aab's daughter and voila... power and money certainly got along with him pretty well... :) ...
anyway, petik jari kepala hotak hang!..
(http://www.malaysiakini.tv/?vid=1462)...
his arrogance rocks!... :) ... he is certainly is showing his newborn baby a very bad example...
btw, if anyone know this clown personally... tell him to stand in the urban areas for the general election..
kalau setakat nak bertanding kat kampung-kampung, usahlah nak bercerita lebih-lebih, tak larat nak dengar... :) ...
if anyone of you know clowns like nazri, zam, etc.... tell them the same thing too!...
p/s ; people in and up there can only con those 'non-it-savy' people who are restricted to news and issues happening day in day out in this country... wanna get them to try using the 'bonuses' like sewing machines, washing machines, school bags, etc.. in urban area?!?...
100,000 gonna paint the town yellow!... pls come for it!...
more details in.. (http://10nov.himpunan.info/)...
i personally urge EVERYONE to come for this... you want to make a change?!?... you may wanna start with this... this may a very small, but a very significant step of you assisting in making malaysia a cleaner, a fairer and a colour blind place to live again!...
to those who have the intention of coming... one of the many main points to follow as below...
am persoanlly expecting this to be bigger than the reformasi 'outing'...
pls take note that this gathering/march is not a political gathering/march... it's about getting the king to look into the wat belongs to the rakyat which have taken away by the umno-led govt... most importantly, to do a massive reformation on the electoral roll...
they can send all the sb if they want... understand there are thousands of lawyers are ready to lend a helping hand if people were to fall into the 'provocation trap', abuse cases, violation of human rights, etc...
pls come for it.. for the sake of malaysia!...
p/s ; the bersih website hacked, cyber troopers at their best!...
i personally urge EVERYONE to come for this... you want to make a change?!?... you may wanna start with this... this may a very small, but a very significant step of you assisting in making malaysia a cleaner, a fairer and a colour blind place to live again!...
to those who have the intention of coming... one of the many main points to follow as below...
am persoanlly expecting this to be bigger than the reformasi 'outing'...
pls take note that this gathering/march is not a political gathering/march... it's about getting the king to look into the wat belongs to the rakyat which have taken away by the umno-led govt... most importantly, to do a massive reformation on the electoral roll...
they can send all the sb if they want... understand there are thousands of lawyers are ready to lend a helping hand if people were to fall into the 'provocation trap', abuse cases, violation of human rights, etc...
pls come for it.. for the sake of malaysia!...
p/s ; the bersih website hacked, cyber troopers at their best!...
posters of the decade... :) ...
basically a pretty good summary...
(http://naktak.blogspot.com/2007/08/nak-tak-posters.html)...
p/s ; still wanna vote them to office, again?!?...
(http://naktak.blogspot.com/2007/08/nak-tak-posters.html)...
p/s ; still wanna vote them to office, again?!?...
the latest mobile phone ringtone in town... :) ...
not sure if this is working via this link... (http://polytikus.xparte.com/correct4.mp3)
else...
do go to... (http://polytikus.com/2007/11/02/hidup-rakyat/)... towards end of the post/somewhere around the last paragraph... click on the 'ringtone'...
p/s ; correct, correct, correct!... :) ...
else...
do go to... (http://polytikus.com/2007/11/02/hidup-rakyat/)... towards end of the post/somewhere around the last paragraph... click on the 'ringtone'...
p/s ; correct, correct, correct!... :) ...
kampung berembang surau demolished!...
this come a little old, but just a reminder to all.. even islamic worship places is not spared under the barisan nasional/umno government!...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blXC3GjKLLk)...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O80kTCR0gk8)...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42KESYU1RAg)...
selangor mb is a big disgrace!...
p/s ; churches demolished, suraus demolished, hindu temples demolished... they dun really dare to touch buddist temples, instead they wanna demolish pig farms!... mca, where art thou?!?...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blXC3GjKLLk)...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O80kTCR0gk8)...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42KESYU1RAg)...
selangor mb is a big disgrace!...
p/s ; churches demolished, suraus demolished, hindu temples demolished... they dun really dare to touch buddist temples, instead they wanna demolish pig farms!... mca, where art thou?!?...
fracas at a temple, again!... some arrested, some injured and understand one beaten to coma!...
50 years of independence?!?.. my foot!...
(http://www.malaysiakini.tv/?vid=1450)...
uncle sam FINALLY said something then... stop demolishing temples or else indian votes will be gone... guess it's too late to do anything now!...
seeing this kinda video clips don't really go down well with me.. terribly bothered by the action of the authorities!...
eye witness and more at...
(http://tonypua.blogspot.com/2007/10/police-must-be-crazy.html)...
(http://jelas.info/2007/11/01/blood-and-mayhem-against-kg-rimba-settlers-baton-beatings-knife-stabs-gun-shots/)...
p/s ; shame on you bn supporters if you ever vote for them again!... pls remember that 1 vote for bn means 1 vote for umno and NO ONE else!... the malays in there are corrupted to the core, stink with racism and power crazy, the chinese in there are balless, anything-and-everything-also-yes-and-can men and observe total silence and the indians in there are big time thugs, selfish and intimidating!..
(http://www.malaysiakini.tv/?vid=1450)...
uncle sam FINALLY said something then... stop demolishing temples or else indian votes will be gone... guess it's too late to do anything now!...
seeing this kinda video clips don't really go down well with me.. terribly bothered by the action of the authorities!...
eye witness and more at...
(http://tonypua.blogspot.com/2007/10/police-must-be-crazy.html)...
(http://jelas.info/2007/11/01/blood-and-mayhem-against-kg-rimba-settlers-baton-beatings-knife-stabs-gun-shots/)...
p/s ; shame on you bn supporters if you ever vote for them again!... pls remember that 1 vote for bn means 1 vote for umno and NO ONE else!... the malays in there are corrupted to the core, stink with racism and power crazy, the chinese in there are balless, anything-and-everything-also-yes-and-can men and observe total silence and the indians in there are big time thugs, selfish and intimidating!..
what kind of leader do we really need?!?...
tons and endless of problems are going on in the country lately... dun think the situation was this bad during mm's days... as soon as aab came in to power, issues after issues keep happening... mind you, some of them are very serious ones...
fm aca vs pdrm vs isa case to judiciary problem to corruption to free of speech to freedom of worship to people-taking-advantage-of-him cases to so many other crap... best of all, no proper action being taken to those who are the firestarters to those who took and perhaps still taking advantage of him...
to me personally, he can put this to a stop immediately if he wants to, but he is reacting as if there are nothing serious about all these problems which is bothering the country and the rakyat!...
if this kinda issues were to crop up during mm's days, am pretty sure he will clean up everything almost immediately... he may be shrewd and he may be cruel and he may be a dictator... but, after much thinking and observing and understanding i do think he placed the rakyat's interest top in his list... aab seems to be the other way round, rakyat's interest and the welfare of them last in his list, holidays and getting married tops his list!...
aab supposed to have the biggest headache, but he is acting as there's nothing going on... some say he is soft, some say his ears are open to all, some say this is his style, etc... i say he is sleepy!...
with the current situation we are in, we need a leader like mm who is shrewd, cruel and dictating to steer the country back into its proper position... back into competiting with the best, instead comparing with the countries which are below us...
this is possible.. this is certainly possible!... aab just need to say... "hey, stop it and behave yrself".. and make sure he mean wat he says and soon you can see the country will slowly tuning back its position, hopefully!... tons of work that needs to be done, tons of it... i would tell aab to start fm within, start fm where the rot starts... meaning start fm umno!... stop giving them so much of power and act dumb when things gets out of hand!... once the problems within umno is sorted out, many others things can be solved too... it is not impossible, but it will take TONS of guts and courage and radical decisions...
we certainly need a very tough leader who can make radical and reviving decisions at this very moment.. we do not need a leader who travels more than any other leaders, we do not need a leader who sleeps during conference, we do not need a leader who is soft, we do not need a leader who listen to others until he don't know who to listen, etc....
p/s ; thank God for the malay rulers!...
fm aca vs pdrm vs isa case to judiciary problem to corruption to free of speech to freedom of worship to people-taking-advantage-of-him cases to so many other crap... best of all, no proper action being taken to those who are the firestarters to those who took and perhaps still taking advantage of him...
to me personally, he can put this to a stop immediately if he wants to, but he is reacting as if there are nothing serious about all these problems which is bothering the country and the rakyat!...
if this kinda issues were to crop up during mm's days, am pretty sure he will clean up everything almost immediately... he may be shrewd and he may be cruel and he may be a dictator... but, after much thinking and observing and understanding i do think he placed the rakyat's interest top in his list... aab seems to be the other way round, rakyat's interest and the welfare of them last in his list, holidays and getting married tops his list!...
aab supposed to have the biggest headache, but he is acting as there's nothing going on... some say he is soft, some say his ears are open to all, some say this is his style, etc... i say he is sleepy!...
with the current situation we are in, we need a leader like mm who is shrewd, cruel and dictating to steer the country back into its proper position... back into competiting with the best, instead comparing with the countries which are below us...
this is possible.. this is certainly possible!... aab just need to say... "hey, stop it and behave yrself".. and make sure he mean wat he says and soon you can see the country will slowly tuning back its position, hopefully!... tons of work that needs to be done, tons of it... i would tell aab to start fm within, start fm where the rot starts... meaning start fm umno!... stop giving them so much of power and act dumb when things gets out of hand!... once the problems within umno is sorted out, many others things can be solved too... it is not impossible, but it will take TONS of guts and courage and radical decisions...
we certainly need a very tough leader who can make radical and reviving decisions at this very moment.. we do not need a leader who travels more than any other leaders, we do not need a leader who sleeps during conference, we do not need a leader who is soft, we do not need a leader who listen to others until he don't know who to listen, etc....
p/s ; thank God for the malay rulers!...
interview with the favourite minister of mine... :) ...
the baldie who knows nuts about the most basic stuffs... witness protection bill eh?!?... :) ...
i wanna cry, i feel like laughing, i cringe in anger, i wanna smile... i wanna do all this at the same time while reading his interview...
p/s ; i kinda like this minister... cause without these kinda people like him around, there won't be any jokes to talk about... :) ...
Interview with Nazri Aziz: The video clip, the walk, the panel
ANIZA DAMIS
Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Seri Mohamed Nazri Abdul Aziz, who is the de-facto law minister, talks to ANIZA DAMIS about the controversial video clip, the judiciary, the Bar Council and bloggers
Q: Is there a crisis in the judiciary? Why is there a perception of there being one?
A: There isn’t a crisis. It’s a false allegation.
The perception has been created by some people. When I go back to my constituency, nobody talks about it.
When people do not go to the courts to settle their disputes, that’s when there’s a crisis. But I don’t see that.
The few people who are unhappy, make a lot of noise. It is reported, people read, and think there is a crisis.
Crisis means it involves the whole country but nobody talks about it. I even asked my fellow members of parliament (MP) but nobody talks about it. So, what crisis are we talking about?
The crisis is in the minds of those who created it.
Q: Some 1,000-2,000 lawyers were involved in the Bar Council walk. Are you saying that that many lawyers have been misled?
A: Only 1,000 went to the ground. There are 13,000 registered members of the Bar.
Q: You don’t think 1,000 is enough?
A: 1,000 of 13,000 — is that a majority? What’s the big deal?
In a democracy, the minority cannot control the majority. The minority does not speak for the majority.
Q: Aren’t the views of the minority also important?
A: But (they are) not (the) majority. If there are any decisions to be made, it has got to be the majority.
Q: So, if you wanted to be convinced (that there is a crisis), you would need 7,000 lawyers to walk?
A: Even then, it’s still not important to us, because the lawyers are not the only people who use the courts. The ordinary people use the court in their disputes.
It must be a majority of the population who feel that there is a crisis. Otherwise, there is nothing.
Q: Do you really want that many people marching in the streets?
A: No. You don’t have to have millions of people marching in the streets. Let the people decide, whether there is a crisis or not, through the legal means of sharing your dissent or anger — through the ballot box.
A: Then you can say, “Let’s have elections once every three years then.” We have to work within the system that we have.
Q: So, what you are suggesting is, if people are unhappy with the judiciary, they should vote BN out?
A: Ya.
Q: But what if people want a BN government, but they also want you to ensure a clean judiciary?
A: So then go talk to the judges — why talk to us? I’m the Executive. How can they ask me to sack the chief justice (CJ)?
Q: You’re the de-facto Law Minister. And they are not asking for a sacking — they are asking for a more transparent appointment system.
A: We’re talking about the independence of the judiciary. I don’t speak for the judges. You want to clean up the judiciary, go and speak to the judge.
Then, once the judges decide, we will accommodate the procedures. Lawyers can criticise the judges or judiciary if they want to. But if I, as an MP, criticise, then I am interfering.
So, the best thing the lawyers can do is speak to the judges — tell them how important it is to clean up the judiciary.
I’m sure the judges are also concerned about their image. And if they so decide, and say, “Look, it is time that we change", then we will accommodate them — amend the Constitution, or whatever. It has to come through the judiciary — not from me. When they (the lawyers) went to the prime minister they are asking him to interfere. Tak boleh (Cannot).
Twenty years ago, they were very angry with us. The prime minister used the procedure to sack the CJ. Now you are asking us to use the procedure to do the same thing?
Why is it that 20 years ago we cannot do that, but now we can? Is this at the whims and fancy of the Bar Council members?
I feel their problem is with the individual; not with the system.
There is a Malay saying: Marah nyamuk jangan bakar kelambu. You are upset with one individual, you want to throw away the entire system.
Later, if you have another system, and you don’t get along with the CJ, do you want to change the system again?
Q: But if we had a transparent system, perhaps all judicial appointees would be acceptable to the people.
A: But if you have a royal commission for the appointment and promotion of judges, you might not agree with the decision, too, because members of the royal commission are also human beings.
Tell me, who appoints the commission? The system is the same. The appointment of the commission will be made by the king, on the advice of the prime minister.
The commission would be there, but the Bar Council will not be happy, and then you’ll have another system (change).
Q: Can the commission be appointed by consensus or stakeholders?
A: Why stakeholders? Stakeholders are people too. Do you want to have an election?
You know what will happen — people will campaign to become members of the commission and then they’ll be compromised, because they want to be chosen by the people.
And then the judges will have to kow tim (settle) with them again — it’s the same thing.
Are we to change just because 1,000 lawyers are unhappy? The Constitution must be amended by two-thirds of MPs; and the two-thirds represent the majority of the people.
If we MPs are not convinced, how can we amend the Constitution? We can’t listen to the views of just 1,000 lawyers. Since when was the view of 1,000 lawyers more important than that of the 11 million who voted for us?
Lawyers are not the only stakeholders. It is also the people in the streets — they are the ones who go to court.
Q: You have said the government was happy with the current system of appointments. Why?
A: We found that the system works for us. We inherited this system (from the British), and for 50 years it has served us well. Something which has not brought us any problem, why should we change?
If we need to change this system, we would need a clear indication from the judiciary.
Even then, before you change you have to go and see the Malay rulers. Out of courtesy, you have to tell them.
Any slight change, we have to see the Malay rulers first. Once they agree, then you’ve got to get the agreement of the judges also, because this involves them.
I am only interested in no interference by the Executive. When I became minister in charge of the judiciary, I wanted to make sure that what happened 20 years ago should not happen now. So, please do not ask us to interfere with the judiciary.
The prime minister is a good man, he respects that, so he doesn’t interfere. That’s why you can see judges now making decisions which may sometimes be negative towards the government. That’s okay.
They are free to make their decisions without interference. The same goes for how judges should be appointed. But if the call for change comes from the judges, it’s okay.
Q: Is the tenure of the chief justice going to be extended?
A: I don’t know. I don’t know anything.
Q: The video-clip issue will not yet be settled at the time of his retirement (scheduled for Thursday). Don’t you think that it’s rather unfortunate for him to retire before this matter is settled?
A: I don’t know whether it’s fortunate or unfortunate. That is the prerogative of the prime minister.
Q: Has the prime minister indicated anything to you?
A: No. As I said, I don’t interfere. I only do things which the prime minister asks me to do. I never ask about things that I am not supposed to be making decisions or that I am not supposed to know.
Q: If you just take into account what is printed in the media and what comes out in the blogs, it would appear that there is a crisis in the judiciary.
A: To me, if there were no newspapers, if there were no blogs, then it’s just mere chit-chat in the coffeeshop. That’s all.
Q: Coffeeshop chit-chat is not important?
No. The people are important. This is a government elected by the people, for the people. So, people means the majority.
If we didn’t have blogs, if we didn’t have newspapers, who in this world would know about it? But because of technological developments, you are able to chit-chat (about it). It’s just chit-chat.
Q: But the fear that is felt is genuine.
A: So what do you want me to do? Ban all these bloggers? Shut down all the newspapers? I don’t think so.
We must live with the fact that this is now a modern world. Technology has enabled us to get to know each other so news gets moved faster.
Q: So, you don’t think it’s important to try to address the worries of these people?
A: No. It’s not important. Why do you put so much importance on bloggers? You know what rubbish has been written in the blogs?
Q: Do you read blogs?
A: I don’t. I don’t waste my time. The few pieces that people print for me are just rubbish.
I’d rather spend my time to do things that are constructive; that go down directly to the people who are really in need of the help of the government.
Our bloggers are really not up to standard. When they put up something, it’s not something that they want to discuss in a very intellectual way.
It’s more because of their anger - the language they use. Why should I read all this rubbish?
When the standard of our bloggers is upgraded, then probably I will look at what is written.
But anyway, they are a minority. My concern is for the majority.
Q: Indians in Malaysia are a minority. Does that mean that they don’t count?
A: No, not in that minority sense. I am talking about bloggers.
When you talk about minority in the sense of perkauman, they are very important, because they are our rakyat, a rakyat that needs to be helped.
Bloggers don’t need to be helped. They are merely throwing rubbish into the blog.
I have no concern for and care about bloggers.
The problems of Indians as a minority is different from the problems of the bloggers. You must appreciate that. I don’t care about the bloggers, but I do care about the minority Indians.
In my constituency, I take care of them. You can go to my constituency and see what I have done for the Indian minority. I was the one to open the training in Mara for the Indian youths.
These are my concerns.
Q: What did you mean when you said that, by walking, the lawyers were behaving like the opposition?
A: Lawyers have got stature in the eyes of the public. And they are apolitical.
Also, I have told them that we will work together; never again should the confrontation of 20 years ago be repeated.
It doesn’t look good when the government is at odds with either the judiciary or the Bar Council.
So, I opened up the doors, I’ve helped them in many ways, to hasten the Legal Profession Act (Amendment) for instance. I did not close my door to them.
So, I was surprised when they suddenly decided to walk and demonstrate.
I feel sad, because these are lawyers — my profession also — and I would rather see them being accorded the respect that should be given to them.
If the memorandum is from the Bar Council, they would have been given an appointment to see the PM.
I would have preferred that the memorandum was brought to the PM’s office.
They would sit down with the PM, discuss for one or two hours, and then hand the memorandum over.
But by walking, it is like you are already partisan, you have already made up your mind to oppose the government; that you cannot work with the government, that’s bad.
Q: Bar Council president Ambiga Sreenevasan said the reason they walked was that they felt all their appeals were falling on deaf ears.
A: It will fall on deafer ears, I can tell you.
Q: But why would you want to cover your ears?
A: They should know — they are lawyers. Their profession is adversarial. When they go in to court, there are two sides — the defendant and the plaintiff.
Even the two counsel cannot agree on how the law should be interpreted. So, you need the judge.
So, they fight. But at the end of the day, they respect the decision made by the judge. They go out, shake hands, that’s it.
In giving their views on the judiciary, they must understand that there are two sides to the argument. And theirs may not be the right one. So they must accept the decision. As lawyers, they should.
They cannot expect that whatever memorandum they give to us, we must agree.
Why couldn’t they have called to make an appointment? I’m sure the PM would have met them.
Q: Maybe walking just says that they are partisan towards justice?
A: I wasn’t complaining about their memorandum. It was the way they did it — demonstrating on the street. The opposition was there.
When you go on the street, how are you going to stop the opposition from coming in?
In a meeting with the PM, those who are the opposition — who are not genuine lawyers — cannot go in.
You should be apolitical. You are an NGO, you are not an opposition party. You have stature, you’ve got a position in public, people look at you with respect.
But the moment you take to the street, who is going to respect you? They’ll laugh at you. There are people who are laughing at you — but they don’t write in the papers Bodoh punya kerja! (fool’s errand).
Q: Is there anything wrong in walking for your beliefs?
A: No. But that is the way of the opposition. If you are a political party, we can understand. But if you are a respectable society, that’s not an honourable way to do it — not when the government accords you respect.
How can you bring yourself so low? The moment you do that, we don’t respect you.
If I say to you, “M****r*****r you!", can you say, “Eh, let us sit down, we’ll talk about it.” No!
You are lawyers, man! People respect you. So, do it in an honourable way.
When the president of the Bar Council wants an appointment with the PM, she or he gets it. That’s how it is. That’s what I wanted, and I would have accommodated that.
But they didn’t contact me. I was waiting. Ambiga knows my doors are open.
Q: If, for instance, the Bar Council wants to take that avenue now, can they still take it?
A: They can. I have already told them, go and engage with the judges. But if they ask me to do what they want me to do towards the judiciary, I won’t do it because I am the Executive.
Q: The Bar Council claims that they have never been able to get an appointment with the CJ.
A: He’s retiring anyway.
I told them, “Fairuz is also a human being. Kalau you criticise, criticise, criticise dia — dia mana mau layan you.” (If you keep criticising him, he won’t entertain you).
I can get a lot of things out of you if I talk to you nicely, but if I start shouting at you, do you think you will accommodate me? No way!
Q: But you are more than an ordinary person. You are also the de facto law minister.
A: But you cannot divorce me from the fact that I am also a human being.
Q: That’s very irresponsible.
A: Human beings, there are ways, how you do it. You want something, you talk. You don’t shout, and then expect to get something, no way.
Q: Why didn’t the government empower the panel to compel witnesses?
A: Because we have to first determine the authenticity of the video clip, to make it into a formal and genuine complaint.
Q: What if the video clip is genuine, but the person doesn’t want to come forward?
A: That’s not our problem. We have already set up the panel, it’s for them.
As I’ve said, if I was the one who made the complaint, I would be very happy, I’d come (forward) and co-operate. There’s nothing to fear.
(Opposition MP Lim) Kit Siang said to me this morning (Wednesday) the problem is not that they are afraid of the public taking action against them; but they are afraid of the government.
I think that’s no excuse.
Q: Why can’t you set up something that can compel a person to come forward?
A: Then you are forcing people. We want it to be voluntary. When you make a complaint to the police, are you being forced to make the complaint, or do you genuinely want to complain?
You see, that is the problem (with the current situation). You have to come to us.
Even if you don’t trust us with the tape, then we can always tell that fellow to come, show the tape, then we see, and you can take back the tape.
But even then they don’t want to come forward. And their reason is that they are scared of the government. That’s not a reason.
(http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Frontpage/20071028074831/Article/index_html)
i wanna cry, i feel like laughing, i cringe in anger, i wanna smile... i wanna do all this at the same time while reading his interview...
p/s ; i kinda like this minister... cause without these kinda people like him around, there won't be any jokes to talk about... :) ...
Interview with Nazri Aziz: The video clip, the walk, the panel
ANIZA DAMIS
Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Seri Mohamed Nazri Abdul Aziz, who is the de-facto law minister, talks to ANIZA DAMIS about the controversial video clip, the judiciary, the Bar Council and bloggers
Q: Is there a crisis in the judiciary? Why is there a perception of there being one?
A: There isn’t a crisis. It’s a false allegation.
The perception has been created by some people. When I go back to my constituency, nobody talks about it.
When people do not go to the courts to settle their disputes, that’s when there’s a crisis. But I don’t see that.
The few people who are unhappy, make a lot of noise. It is reported, people read, and think there is a crisis.
Crisis means it involves the whole country but nobody talks about it. I even asked my fellow members of parliament (MP) but nobody talks about it. So, what crisis are we talking about?
The crisis is in the minds of those who created it.
Q: Some 1,000-2,000 lawyers were involved in the Bar Council walk. Are you saying that that many lawyers have been misled?
A: Only 1,000 went to the ground. There are 13,000 registered members of the Bar.
Q: You don’t think 1,000 is enough?
A: 1,000 of 13,000 — is that a majority? What’s the big deal?
In a democracy, the minority cannot control the majority. The minority does not speak for the majority.
Q: Aren’t the views of the minority also important?
A: But (they are) not (the) majority. If there are any decisions to be made, it has got to be the majority.
Q: So, if you wanted to be convinced (that there is a crisis), you would need 7,000 lawyers to walk?
A: Even then, it’s still not important to us, because the lawyers are not the only people who use the courts. The ordinary people use the court in their disputes.
It must be a majority of the population who feel that there is a crisis. Otherwise, there is nothing.
Q: Do you really want that many people marching in the streets?
A: No. You don’t have to have millions of people marching in the streets. Let the people decide, whether there is a crisis or not, through the legal means of sharing your dissent or anger — through the ballot box.
A: Then you can say, “Let’s have elections once every three years then.” We have to work within the system that we have.
Q: So, what you are suggesting is, if people are unhappy with the judiciary, they should vote BN out?
A: Ya.
Q: But what if people want a BN government, but they also want you to ensure a clean judiciary?
A: So then go talk to the judges — why talk to us? I’m the Executive. How can they ask me to sack the chief justice (CJ)?
Q: You’re the de-facto Law Minister. And they are not asking for a sacking — they are asking for a more transparent appointment system.
A: We’re talking about the independence of the judiciary. I don’t speak for the judges. You want to clean up the judiciary, go and speak to the judge.
Then, once the judges decide, we will accommodate the procedures. Lawyers can criticise the judges or judiciary if they want to. But if I, as an MP, criticise, then I am interfering.
So, the best thing the lawyers can do is speak to the judges — tell them how important it is to clean up the judiciary.
I’m sure the judges are also concerned about their image. And if they so decide, and say, “Look, it is time that we change", then we will accommodate them — amend the Constitution, or whatever. It has to come through the judiciary — not from me. When they (the lawyers) went to the prime minister they are asking him to interfere. Tak boleh (Cannot).
Twenty years ago, they were very angry with us. The prime minister used the procedure to sack the CJ. Now you are asking us to use the procedure to do the same thing?
Why is it that 20 years ago we cannot do that, but now we can? Is this at the whims and fancy of the Bar Council members?
I feel their problem is with the individual; not with the system.
There is a Malay saying: Marah nyamuk jangan bakar kelambu. You are upset with one individual, you want to throw away the entire system.
Later, if you have another system, and you don’t get along with the CJ, do you want to change the system again?
Q: But if we had a transparent system, perhaps all judicial appointees would be acceptable to the people.
A: But if you have a royal commission for the appointment and promotion of judges, you might not agree with the decision, too, because members of the royal commission are also human beings.
Tell me, who appoints the commission? The system is the same. The appointment of the commission will be made by the king, on the advice of the prime minister.
The commission would be there, but the Bar Council will not be happy, and then you’ll have another system (change).
Q: Can the commission be appointed by consensus or stakeholders?
A: Why stakeholders? Stakeholders are people too. Do you want to have an election?
You know what will happen — people will campaign to become members of the commission and then they’ll be compromised, because they want to be chosen by the people.
And then the judges will have to kow tim (settle) with them again — it’s the same thing.
Are we to change just because 1,000 lawyers are unhappy? The Constitution must be amended by two-thirds of MPs; and the two-thirds represent the majority of the people.
If we MPs are not convinced, how can we amend the Constitution? We can’t listen to the views of just 1,000 lawyers. Since when was the view of 1,000 lawyers more important than that of the 11 million who voted for us?
Lawyers are not the only stakeholders. It is also the people in the streets — they are the ones who go to court.
Q: You have said the government was happy with the current system of appointments. Why?
A: We found that the system works for us. We inherited this system (from the British), and for 50 years it has served us well. Something which has not brought us any problem, why should we change?
If we need to change this system, we would need a clear indication from the judiciary.
Even then, before you change you have to go and see the Malay rulers. Out of courtesy, you have to tell them.
Any slight change, we have to see the Malay rulers first. Once they agree, then you’ve got to get the agreement of the judges also, because this involves them.
I am only interested in no interference by the Executive. When I became minister in charge of the judiciary, I wanted to make sure that what happened 20 years ago should not happen now. So, please do not ask us to interfere with the judiciary.
The prime minister is a good man, he respects that, so he doesn’t interfere. That’s why you can see judges now making decisions which may sometimes be negative towards the government. That’s okay.
They are free to make their decisions without interference. The same goes for how judges should be appointed. But if the call for change comes from the judges, it’s okay.
Q: Is the tenure of the chief justice going to be extended?
A: I don’t know. I don’t know anything.
Q: The video-clip issue will not yet be settled at the time of his retirement (scheduled for Thursday). Don’t you think that it’s rather unfortunate for him to retire before this matter is settled?
A: I don’t know whether it’s fortunate or unfortunate. That is the prerogative of the prime minister.
Q: Has the prime minister indicated anything to you?
A: No. As I said, I don’t interfere. I only do things which the prime minister asks me to do. I never ask about things that I am not supposed to be making decisions or that I am not supposed to know.
Q: If you just take into account what is printed in the media and what comes out in the blogs, it would appear that there is a crisis in the judiciary.
A: To me, if there were no newspapers, if there were no blogs, then it’s just mere chit-chat in the coffeeshop. That’s all.
Q: Coffeeshop chit-chat is not important?
No. The people are important. This is a government elected by the people, for the people. So, people means the majority.
If we didn’t have blogs, if we didn’t have newspapers, who in this world would know about it? But because of technological developments, you are able to chit-chat (about it). It’s just chit-chat.
Q: But the fear that is felt is genuine.
A: So what do you want me to do? Ban all these bloggers? Shut down all the newspapers? I don’t think so.
We must live with the fact that this is now a modern world. Technology has enabled us to get to know each other so news gets moved faster.
Q: So, you don’t think it’s important to try to address the worries of these people?
A: No. It’s not important. Why do you put so much importance on bloggers? You know what rubbish has been written in the blogs?
Q: Do you read blogs?
A: I don’t. I don’t waste my time. The few pieces that people print for me are just rubbish.
I’d rather spend my time to do things that are constructive; that go down directly to the people who are really in need of the help of the government.
Our bloggers are really not up to standard. When they put up something, it’s not something that they want to discuss in a very intellectual way.
It’s more because of their anger - the language they use. Why should I read all this rubbish?
When the standard of our bloggers is upgraded, then probably I will look at what is written.
But anyway, they are a minority. My concern is for the majority.
Q: Indians in Malaysia are a minority. Does that mean that they don’t count?
A: No, not in that minority sense. I am talking about bloggers.
When you talk about minority in the sense of perkauman, they are very important, because they are our rakyat, a rakyat that needs to be helped.
Bloggers don’t need to be helped. They are merely throwing rubbish into the blog.
I have no concern for and care about bloggers.
The problems of Indians as a minority is different from the problems of the bloggers. You must appreciate that. I don’t care about the bloggers, but I do care about the minority Indians.
In my constituency, I take care of them. You can go to my constituency and see what I have done for the Indian minority. I was the one to open the training in Mara for the Indian youths.
These are my concerns.
Q: What did you mean when you said that, by walking, the lawyers were behaving like the opposition?
A: Lawyers have got stature in the eyes of the public. And they are apolitical.
Also, I have told them that we will work together; never again should the confrontation of 20 years ago be repeated.
It doesn’t look good when the government is at odds with either the judiciary or the Bar Council.
So, I opened up the doors, I’ve helped them in many ways, to hasten the Legal Profession Act (Amendment) for instance. I did not close my door to them.
So, I was surprised when they suddenly decided to walk and demonstrate.
I feel sad, because these are lawyers — my profession also — and I would rather see them being accorded the respect that should be given to them.
If the memorandum is from the Bar Council, they would have been given an appointment to see the PM.
I would have preferred that the memorandum was brought to the PM’s office.
They would sit down with the PM, discuss for one or two hours, and then hand the memorandum over.
But by walking, it is like you are already partisan, you have already made up your mind to oppose the government; that you cannot work with the government, that’s bad.
Q: Bar Council president Ambiga Sreenevasan said the reason they walked was that they felt all their appeals were falling on deaf ears.
A: It will fall on deafer ears, I can tell you.
Q: But why would you want to cover your ears?
A: They should know — they are lawyers. Their profession is adversarial. When they go in to court, there are two sides — the defendant and the plaintiff.
Even the two counsel cannot agree on how the law should be interpreted. So, you need the judge.
So, they fight. But at the end of the day, they respect the decision made by the judge. They go out, shake hands, that’s it.
In giving their views on the judiciary, they must understand that there are two sides to the argument. And theirs may not be the right one. So they must accept the decision. As lawyers, they should.
They cannot expect that whatever memorandum they give to us, we must agree.
Why couldn’t they have called to make an appointment? I’m sure the PM would have met them.
Q: Maybe walking just says that they are partisan towards justice?
A: I wasn’t complaining about their memorandum. It was the way they did it — demonstrating on the street. The opposition was there.
When you go on the street, how are you going to stop the opposition from coming in?
In a meeting with the PM, those who are the opposition — who are not genuine lawyers — cannot go in.
You should be apolitical. You are an NGO, you are not an opposition party. You have stature, you’ve got a position in public, people look at you with respect.
But the moment you take to the street, who is going to respect you? They’ll laugh at you. There are people who are laughing at you — but they don’t write in the papers Bodoh punya kerja! (fool’s errand).
Q: Is there anything wrong in walking for your beliefs?
A: No. But that is the way of the opposition. If you are a political party, we can understand. But if you are a respectable society, that’s not an honourable way to do it — not when the government accords you respect.
How can you bring yourself so low? The moment you do that, we don’t respect you.
If I say to you, “M****r*****r you!", can you say, “Eh, let us sit down, we’ll talk about it.” No!
You are lawyers, man! People respect you. So, do it in an honourable way.
When the president of the Bar Council wants an appointment with the PM, she or he gets it. That’s how it is. That’s what I wanted, and I would have accommodated that.
But they didn’t contact me. I was waiting. Ambiga knows my doors are open.
Q: If, for instance, the Bar Council wants to take that avenue now, can they still take it?
A: They can. I have already told them, go and engage with the judges. But if they ask me to do what they want me to do towards the judiciary, I won’t do it because I am the Executive.
Q: The Bar Council claims that they have never been able to get an appointment with the CJ.
A: He’s retiring anyway.
I told them, “Fairuz is also a human being. Kalau you criticise, criticise, criticise dia — dia mana mau layan you.” (If you keep criticising him, he won’t entertain you).
I can get a lot of things out of you if I talk to you nicely, but if I start shouting at you, do you think you will accommodate me? No way!
Q: But you are more than an ordinary person. You are also the de facto law minister.
A: But you cannot divorce me from the fact that I am also a human being.
Q: That’s very irresponsible.
A: Human beings, there are ways, how you do it. You want something, you talk. You don’t shout, and then expect to get something, no way.
Q: Why didn’t the government empower the panel to compel witnesses?
A: Because we have to first determine the authenticity of the video clip, to make it into a formal and genuine complaint.
Q: What if the video clip is genuine, but the person doesn’t want to come forward?
A: That’s not our problem. We have already set up the panel, it’s for them.
As I’ve said, if I was the one who made the complaint, I would be very happy, I’d come (forward) and co-operate. There’s nothing to fear.
(Opposition MP Lim) Kit Siang said to me this morning (Wednesday) the problem is not that they are afraid of the public taking action against them; but they are afraid of the government.
I think that’s no excuse.
Q: Why can’t you set up something that can compel a person to come forward?
A: Then you are forcing people. We want it to be voluntary. When you make a complaint to the police, are you being forced to make the complaint, or do you genuinely want to complain?
You see, that is the problem (with the current situation). You have to come to us.
Even if you don’t trust us with the tape, then we can always tell that fellow to come, show the tape, then we see, and you can take back the tape.
But even then they don’t want to come forward. And their reason is that they are scared of the government. That’s not a reason.
(http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Frontpage/20071028074831/Article/index_html)
difference between lim goh tong and zakaria mat deros...
goh tong villa in genting... approx 1,860.00 square meter...
istana zakaria in klang... approx 40,000.00 square meter...
managed to see the difference?!?...
istana zakaria in klang... approx 40,000.00 square meter...
managed to see the difference?!?...
disabled brain, distorted mind and malfunction mouth... he did it again!...
came across a comment fm a reader somewhere, which i find it's true to a certain extent... he is perhaps his mother's punishment!...
he did it again and again and again... he was the racial hero in this... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=n1Pn4cy2dYo)... he mentioned pukimak in parliament of all places and now offended the disable ones by saying their 'moving restriction' is God's punishment... wtf is wrong with this ?!?... as karpal mentioned they are animals, to me that's a very polite word to be used on them!...
he represented the people who voted him and am pretty sure there are disable people who voted him too... we honestly dun need all these scums to bring the standard of the august hall any lower... it's low enough now...
the opposition need not to blow this issue out of proportion, as alleged by this disabled brain, distorted mind and have a malfunction mouth mp fm jerai... as various disable parties have taken their stand and demand him to retract his statement and apologise to all wheelchair users... (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/Letters/2067255/Article/index_html)...
before you cast yr votes in the up and coming general election, do ask yrself do you REALLY wanna vote these kinda scums into office again..
p/s ; this is another kinda 'little' issues which is bothering and hindering the country to great success and brighter future globally... shame on you bn/umno!...
p/s ; so wat we had a malaysian up the space when we have these kinda scums in parliament?!?...
‘Karpal a disabled’ remark causes ruckus
Yoges Palaniappan
Oct 25, 07 3:52pm Malaysiakini
A Barisan Nasional backbencher came under attack from opposition MPs today for likening Karpal Singh (DAP-Bukit Gelugor) to a disabled person.
On Monday, during the Supply Bill 2008 debate, Karpal said many MPs are not well behaved in Parliament and that would be a problem if they are not penalized for their unruly behaviour.
Citing examples, he referred to Bung Mokhtar Radin (BN-Kinabatangan) who uttered the word bocor to Fong and Badruddin Amiruldin (BN-Jerai), who used a foul word in a sitting not so long ago.
An angry Badruddin then rose and said that Karpal has also uttered words like animal, cow and stupid in the Dewan Rakyat.
“I used the foul word because I was defending my race and country. You were attacking my race and that’s why God has taught you a good lesson by putting you in a wheelchair,” said Badruddin.
“How many times have you been suspended? How many times were you told to leave the Dewan? I haven’t been suspended even for once and I was never told to leave,” he said.
“You are a veteran politician who has got no discipline. Even now, when you’re dependent on a wheelchair, you’re talking so much.”
‘Temporarily disabled’
Fong Po Kuan (DAP-Batu Gajah), who rose to defend Karpal told Badruddin that it was improper to insult and offend a disabled and that he should withdraw his statement.
Meanwhile, Karpal said that he is only “temporarily disabled’ and urged Badruddin to be calm in a tense situation.
Speaker Ramli Ngah Talib brought the situation under control by ordering all parties to sit down.
Today, the MPs demanded Badruddin to withdraw his statement and tender an apology to Karpal again.
“Badruddin should withdraw his statement about me. Can you (Tuan yang dipertua) make him withdraw his statement?” asked Karpal.
Responding, Deputy Speaker Yusof Yacob who was in the chair told Karpal that it is irrelevant to raise an issue that has passed.
However, he said that Badruddin’s statement was very improper, as it does not only involve one person but many disabled people.
‘Unfair to just issue warnings’
Dissatisfied with Yusof’s explanation, Fong told the deputy speaker that it is very unfair to let errant MPs off the hook by just issuing warnings.
“He (Badruddin) repeats the same mistake because he is never penalised for his actions. Warnings are not enough. He needs to show remorse and regret over what he had said,” said Fong, adding that Badruddin must be made to withdraw his statement to preserve the dignity of the Dewan Rakyat.
But she was told to sit down by Yusof who ordered the debate to continue.
Later in the day, when it was Badruddin’s turn to speak, he explained himself by saying that he did not mean to insult any disabled people by saying that Karpal is dependent on his wheelchair.
“I did not say that he’s disabled, I said that he’s dependent on his wheelchair. The term ‘disabled’ was used by Fong to make a small issue big,” he said, adding that he had never insulted the disabled.
“Every year, during Hari Raya, I give money to the disabled in my constituency. I’ve never insulted them,” he said.
Cheap political mileage
He also explained that he uttered the statement because he was pressured by Karpal who said he often used foul language in Parliament.
“I usually only say words like that when I am attacked by the opposition. And on that day, I was just reacting to Karpal’s accusations.”
Badruddin also urged DAP not to look for “cheap political mileage” in politicising the issue as the matter should not be blown out of proportion.
At that juncture, Chong Eng (DAP-Bukit Mertajam) and Fong stood up and demanded an apology from Badruddin.
Speaking to reporters in the Parliament lobby later, Opposition Leader Lim Kit Siang described Badruddin’s statement as “insensitive, ignorant, despicable and abhorrent.”
He said that Badruddin has brought Parliament to new depths of public shame and he should retract his statement.
“It not only abusing the disabled, but also Malaysians in the general. Badruddin has trespassed beyond basic human decency by such a remark,” Lim said.
He also gave a deadline until Monday for Badruddin to apologise and retract the statement, failing which he would submit a motion to refer Badruddin to the Committee of Privilege.
(http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/73989)
he did it again and again and again... he was the racial hero in this... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=n1Pn4cy2dYo)... he mentioned pukimak in parliament of all places and now offended the disable ones by saying their 'moving restriction' is God's punishment... wtf is wrong with this ?!?... as karpal mentioned they are animals, to me that's a very polite word to be used on them!...
he represented the people who voted him and am pretty sure there are disable people who voted him too... we honestly dun need all these scums to bring the standard of the august hall any lower... it's low enough now...
the opposition need not to blow this issue out of proportion, as alleged by this disabled brain, distorted mind and have a malfunction mouth mp fm jerai... as various disable parties have taken their stand and demand him to retract his statement and apologise to all wheelchair users... (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/Letters/2067255/Article/index_html)...
before you cast yr votes in the up and coming general election, do ask yrself do you REALLY wanna vote these kinda scums into office again..
p/s ; this is another kinda 'little' issues which is bothering and hindering the country to great success and brighter future globally... shame on you bn/umno!...
p/s ; so wat we had a malaysian up the space when we have these kinda scums in parliament?!?...
‘Karpal a disabled’ remark causes ruckus
Yoges Palaniappan
Oct 25, 07 3:52pm Malaysiakini
A Barisan Nasional backbencher came under attack from opposition MPs today for likening Karpal Singh (DAP-Bukit Gelugor) to a disabled person.
On Monday, during the Supply Bill 2008 debate, Karpal said many MPs are not well behaved in Parliament and that would be a problem if they are not penalized for their unruly behaviour.
Citing examples, he referred to Bung Mokhtar Radin (BN-Kinabatangan) who uttered the word bocor to Fong and Badruddin Amiruldin (BN-Jerai), who used a foul word in a sitting not so long ago.
An angry Badruddin then rose and said that Karpal has also uttered words like animal, cow and stupid in the Dewan Rakyat.
“I used the foul word because I was defending my race and country. You were attacking my race and that’s why God has taught you a good lesson by putting you in a wheelchair,” said Badruddin.
“How many times have you been suspended? How many times were you told to leave the Dewan? I haven’t been suspended even for once and I was never told to leave,” he said.
“You are a veteran politician who has got no discipline. Even now, when you’re dependent on a wheelchair, you’re talking so much.”
‘Temporarily disabled’
Fong Po Kuan (DAP-Batu Gajah), who rose to defend Karpal told Badruddin that it was improper to insult and offend a disabled and that he should withdraw his statement.
Meanwhile, Karpal said that he is only “temporarily disabled’ and urged Badruddin to be calm in a tense situation.
Speaker Ramli Ngah Talib brought the situation under control by ordering all parties to sit down.
Today, the MPs demanded Badruddin to withdraw his statement and tender an apology to Karpal again.
“Badruddin should withdraw his statement about me. Can you (Tuan yang dipertua) make him withdraw his statement?” asked Karpal.
Responding, Deputy Speaker Yusof Yacob who was in the chair told Karpal that it is irrelevant to raise an issue that has passed.
However, he said that Badruddin’s statement was very improper, as it does not only involve one person but many disabled people.
‘Unfair to just issue warnings’
Dissatisfied with Yusof’s explanation, Fong told the deputy speaker that it is very unfair to let errant MPs off the hook by just issuing warnings.
“He (Badruddin) repeats the same mistake because he is never penalised for his actions. Warnings are not enough. He needs to show remorse and regret over what he had said,” said Fong, adding that Badruddin must be made to withdraw his statement to preserve the dignity of the Dewan Rakyat.
But she was told to sit down by Yusof who ordered the debate to continue.
Later in the day, when it was Badruddin’s turn to speak, he explained himself by saying that he did not mean to insult any disabled people by saying that Karpal is dependent on his wheelchair.
“I did not say that he’s disabled, I said that he’s dependent on his wheelchair. The term ‘disabled’ was used by Fong to make a small issue big,” he said, adding that he had never insulted the disabled.
“Every year, during Hari Raya, I give money to the disabled in my constituency. I’ve never insulted them,” he said.
Cheap political mileage
He also explained that he uttered the statement because he was pressured by Karpal who said he often used foul language in Parliament.
“I usually only say words like that when I am attacked by the opposition. And on that day, I was just reacting to Karpal’s accusations.”
Badruddin also urged DAP not to look for “cheap political mileage” in politicising the issue as the matter should not be blown out of proportion.
At that juncture, Chong Eng (DAP-Bukit Mertajam) and Fong stood up and demanded an apology from Badruddin.
Speaking to reporters in the Parliament lobby later, Opposition Leader Lim Kit Siang described Badruddin’s statement as “insensitive, ignorant, despicable and abhorrent.”
He said that Badruddin has brought Parliament to new depths of public shame and he should retract his statement.
“It not only abusing the disabled, but also Malaysians in the general. Badruddin has trespassed beyond basic human decency by such a remark,” Lim said.
He also gave a deadline until Monday for Badruddin to apologise and retract the statement, failing which he would submit a motion to refer Badruddin to the Committee of Privilege.
(http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/73989)
someone hit the jackpot worth rm 292,525,877.72!... :) ...
that's apparently the EXACT amount which the govt paid to gerbang perdana for the cancellation of the CROOKed bridge project last year (2006)...
who is gerbang perdana?!?.. who are the directors?!?... who are the shareholders?!?... people with facilities to check on this kinda infos, esp company secretaries, company accountants, etc... do share tho...
trying to get the full report in numbers, meantime, take a look at this...
(http://lanaibeach.blogspot.com/2007/10/goblok-government-pays-2925-million.html)
p/s ; it is the tax payers money they are conveniently 'playing' with!...
who is gerbang perdana?!?.. who are the directors?!?... who are the shareholders?!?... people with facilities to check on this kinda infos, esp company secretaries, company accountants, etc... do share tho...
trying to get the full report in numbers, meantime, take a look at this...
(http://lanaibeach.blogspot.com/2007/10/goblok-government-pays-2925-million.html)
p/s ; it is the tax payers money they are conveniently 'playing' with!...
ballot boxes being distributed...
now you know how near can we get to the next general election...
related topic... (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/10/25/nation/20071025161923)...
EC delivers transparent ballot boxes
PUTRAJAYA: The Election Commission (EC) is in the process of distributing 50,000 transparent ballot boxes across the country ahead of next general election.
Commission secretary Datuk Kamaruzaman Mohd Noor said the distribution exercise began two weeks ago.
“The boxes will be distributed to polling stations in Peninsular Malaysia first before being flown to Sabah and Sarawak.
“We have also finished training 200,000 personnel, including clerks and heads of polling stations. However, the commission has yet to decide on training for the returning officers, assistant ROs and campaign enforcement officers.
“We have also identified the voting stations,” he said yesterday.
A total of 10.5 million citizens will be eligible to vote in the next general election.
(http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/10/25/parliament/19270990)
related topic... (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/10/25/nation/20071025161923)...
EC delivers transparent ballot boxes
PUTRAJAYA: The Election Commission (EC) is in the process of distributing 50,000 transparent ballot boxes across the country ahead of next general election.
Commission secretary Datuk Kamaruzaman Mohd Noor said the distribution exercise began two weeks ago.
“The boxes will be distributed to polling stations in Peninsular Malaysia first before being flown to Sabah and Sarawak.
“We have also finished training 200,000 personnel, including clerks and heads of polling stations. However, the commission has yet to decide on training for the returning officers, assistant ROs and campaign enforcement officers.
“We have also identified the voting stations,” he said yesterday.
A total of 10.5 million citizens will be eligible to vote in the next general election.
(http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/10/25/parliament/19270990)
sharks vs anchovies...
wanna bring up the same subject, then came across this which he stated in a very direct and simple manner...
(http://jelas.info/2007/10/23/while-sharks-laugh-in-france-aca-nabs-5-or-10-small-fish-threaten-fishermen/)
aca seems to be really 'hard-at-work' lately... fm lingam/cj's case to nabbing those who are reported to be corrupted in the ag's report... sandiwara?!?.. blockbuster?!?... gimmick for general election?!?... you have the liberty to draw and decide yr own conclusion tho... :) ...
p/s ; corruption no longer happen under the table.. it's ON the table now!...
(http://jelas.info/2007/10/23/while-sharks-laugh-in-france-aca-nabs-5-or-10-small-fish-threaten-fishermen/)
aca seems to be really 'hard-at-work' lately... fm lingam/cj's case to nabbing those who are reported to be corrupted in the ag's report... sandiwara?!?.. blockbuster?!?... gimmick for general election?!?... you have the liberty to draw and decide yr own conclusion tho... :) ...
p/s ; corruption no longer happen under the table.. it's ON the table now!...
his hollowness the imam of islam hadhari... by m bakri musa...
just a recap...
islam hadhari consists of 10 fundamental principles...
- Faith and piety in Allah
- Just and trustworthy government
- Freedom and independence to the people
- Mastery of knowledge
- Balanced and comprehensive economic development
- Good quality of life for all
- Protection of the rights of minority groups and women
- Cultural and moral integrity
- Protection of the environment
- A strong defence policy
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Hadhari)
i wonder which fundamental principles did he personally fulfilled...
p/s ; more on the imam of islam hadhari open house..... (http://www.malaysia-today.net/blog2006/holds.php?itemid=9046)...
His Hollowness The Imam of Islam Hadhari
You can tell much about a creed by its practices, in particular that of its leader. By this measure, Islam Hadhari is a cruel hoax perpetrated by Abdullah Badawi on the citizens. This recently concluded Ramadan was Abdullah’s fifth as Prime Minister. On none of those occasions did he see fit to live or demonstrate the spirit of generosity and forgiveness that is the hallmark of Ramadan.
During the tenure of Mahathir, as well as others before him, it was traditional for the King on the advice of his Prime Minister to pardon prisoners during the last days of Ramadan, in time for them to join their families for Eid celebrations. We had the writer and philosopher Kassim Ahmad as well as the scholar Syed Hussin Ali, prisoners of conscience under the ISA, thus released. My classmate, once a fast rising star in UMNO and a former cabinet minister, was also pardoned of his murder conviction and released.
Abdullah has had five Ramadans to demonstrate the generosity or magnanimity of his Islam Hadhari. He missed them all. Equally significant, during the recent 50th Merdeka Anniversary, Abdullah did not see fit to have any amnesty program for prisoners. Nor did he have one on assuming power.
In his typically sermonizing Hari Raya message he exhorted Muslims to be generous and gracious. That was as far as he went; nothing beyond dispensing homilies.
On closer scrutiny, there was nothing in the ten stated principles of his Islam Hadhari about generosity or charity. How foolish of me to assume that the “Islam” of Islam Hadhari would at least have some redeeming qualities like charity, a pillar of our great faith!
Abdullah’s idea of generosity during this last Hari Raya was to host a multi-million ringgit “Open House” at the Putra World Trade Center. Rest assured that the funding of this mega bash would come out of the public treasury. It is easy to spend or give away money when it is not yours.
During this past Ramadan, Abdullah hosted an iftar, (communal breaking of the fast) and then proceeded to lead his guests in the obligatory Maghreeb as well as the optional Taraweekh prayers. A more gracious (and modest) host would have had some other ulama or ustaz from among the guests to do the honors. Not Abdullah, he hogs it all, in the name of piety and humility (or his public demonstrations thereof). His version, that is.
On another occasion, this time with members of the media (only those with demonstrated sycophantic sentiments), he had the writer and political observer Syed Hussein Alattas (Pak Habib) partake in a simple meal of ubi rebus (soup of tuber roots), a cheap staple made infamous during the hard days of the Japanese occupation. The normally perceptive and critical Pak Habib was so taken up by Abdullah’s “humble “ gesture that Pak Habib gushed at the “humility” of the Prime Minister.
This was nothing more than a crude and ineffective attempt at “slumming” for the benefit of the members of the media to see and thus report. You can bet that no such soup would be served on board the newly acquired luxurious RM200 million corporate jet reserved for Abdullah’s use.
The normally “not-easily-bought” Pak Habib, a political commentator I admire greatly, went so far as to have his picture taken with the “humble” Prime Minister clad in his peasant-style sarong and modest baju Melayu. The snap shots of the duo affectionately embracing each other were of course emblazoned on his website. The independently wealthy and fiercely unconventional Pak Habib could not be had with flattery or money, but a simple ubi rebus did it!
He Did Not See as Head of OIC
Thanks to the efforts and international stature of his predecessor, Abdullah assumed the leadership of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) on becoming Prime Minister. While Mahathir was forceful in pursuing the interests of Islam and of Islamic nations in foreign forums, Abdullah has been busy maintaining his so-called “elegant silence” abroad.
His presence at the recently concluded UN General Assembly was hardly noticed, except of course by the Malaysian media. Consequently and by default, the world now increasingly views Islam and Muslims as represented by such crackpots as Iran’s Ahmadnejad.
As head of OIC, he is silent over the two continuing major tragedies occurring in the Muslim world – the American occupation of Iraq, and the horrifying human sufferings in Darfur. His silence reflects indifference. It is a measure of his callousness to human sufferings, just as he is indifferent to the fate of the many prisoners of conscience in his own country. That again reflects his understanding of Islam, and the guiding principles of his Islam Hadhari.
Closer to home, Abdullah is equally oblivious of the atrocities perpetrated by Myanmar’s thuggish military junta. As the self-proclaimed Imam of Islam Hadhari, I would have expected him to have some modicum of sympathy for the brutal oppression of those fellow leaders of faith, the monks. Alas, there was none.
In secular America, President Bush and other senior leaders have to declare publicly their income tax returns. From such disclosures the public gets to know how much these leaders have contributed to charity. It turned out that both Bush and others had contributed generously. God bless them!
Zakat (charity) is a major pillar of Islam. Although not specifically stated in its ten major principles, I would expect that Islam Hadhari too would emphasize charity. If Abdullah could afford to vacation regularly in Turkey and Australia, as well as host a multimillion ringgit Hari Raya bash, I wonder how much this Imam has donated for his zakat this year?
Abdullah and others have been busy proclaiming Malaysia to be an Islamic State. Let’s begin with that basic prerequisite of Islam: making all Muslims give their fair share of zakat. Once we have achieved that, we can then consider implementing the other rules of the Syaria.
Islam Hadhari notwithstanding, one thing is certain under Abdullah’s leadership. The rats that are his cronies and family members have been busy nibbling away at the state’s precious assets. With time all that would be left is a state treasury that resembles Swiss cheese, full of holes with only a thin crust to hold its shape. This is what happens when we have as chief executive a kaki tidor (sleepy head), or to pursue my metaphor, a cheese head (kepala kosong – empty head).
No toast to His Hollowness The Imam of Islam Hadhari. Instead, let him be toast.
(http://www.bakrimusa.com/archives/his-hollowness-the-imam-of-islam-hadhari)
islam hadhari consists of 10 fundamental principles...
- Faith and piety in Allah
- Just and trustworthy government
- Freedom and independence to the people
- Mastery of knowledge
- Balanced and comprehensive economic development
- Good quality of life for all
- Protection of the rights of minority groups and women
- Cultural and moral integrity
- Protection of the environment
- A strong defence policy
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Hadhari)
i wonder which fundamental principles did he personally fulfilled...
p/s ; more on the imam of islam hadhari open house..... (http://www.malaysia-today.net/blog2006/holds.php?itemid=9046)...
His Hollowness The Imam of Islam Hadhari
You can tell much about a creed by its practices, in particular that of its leader. By this measure, Islam Hadhari is a cruel hoax perpetrated by Abdullah Badawi on the citizens. This recently concluded Ramadan was Abdullah’s fifth as Prime Minister. On none of those occasions did he see fit to live or demonstrate the spirit of generosity and forgiveness that is the hallmark of Ramadan.
During the tenure of Mahathir, as well as others before him, it was traditional for the King on the advice of his Prime Minister to pardon prisoners during the last days of Ramadan, in time for them to join their families for Eid celebrations. We had the writer and philosopher Kassim Ahmad as well as the scholar Syed Hussin Ali, prisoners of conscience under the ISA, thus released. My classmate, once a fast rising star in UMNO and a former cabinet minister, was also pardoned of his murder conviction and released.
Abdullah has had five Ramadans to demonstrate the generosity or magnanimity of his Islam Hadhari. He missed them all. Equally significant, during the recent 50th Merdeka Anniversary, Abdullah did not see fit to have any amnesty program for prisoners. Nor did he have one on assuming power.
In his typically sermonizing Hari Raya message he exhorted Muslims to be generous and gracious. That was as far as he went; nothing beyond dispensing homilies.
On closer scrutiny, there was nothing in the ten stated principles of his Islam Hadhari about generosity or charity. How foolish of me to assume that the “Islam” of Islam Hadhari would at least have some redeeming qualities like charity, a pillar of our great faith!
Abdullah’s idea of generosity during this last Hari Raya was to host a multi-million ringgit “Open House” at the Putra World Trade Center. Rest assured that the funding of this mega bash would come out of the public treasury. It is easy to spend or give away money when it is not yours.
During this past Ramadan, Abdullah hosted an iftar, (communal breaking of the fast) and then proceeded to lead his guests in the obligatory Maghreeb as well as the optional Taraweekh prayers. A more gracious (and modest) host would have had some other ulama or ustaz from among the guests to do the honors. Not Abdullah, he hogs it all, in the name of piety and humility (or his public demonstrations thereof). His version, that is.
On another occasion, this time with members of the media (only those with demonstrated sycophantic sentiments), he had the writer and political observer Syed Hussein Alattas (Pak Habib) partake in a simple meal of ubi rebus (soup of tuber roots), a cheap staple made infamous during the hard days of the Japanese occupation. The normally perceptive and critical Pak Habib was so taken up by Abdullah’s “humble “ gesture that Pak Habib gushed at the “humility” of the Prime Minister.
This was nothing more than a crude and ineffective attempt at “slumming” for the benefit of the members of the media to see and thus report. You can bet that no such soup would be served on board the newly acquired luxurious RM200 million corporate jet reserved for Abdullah’s use.
The normally “not-easily-bought” Pak Habib, a political commentator I admire greatly, went so far as to have his picture taken with the “humble” Prime Minister clad in his peasant-style sarong and modest baju Melayu. The snap shots of the duo affectionately embracing each other were of course emblazoned on his website. The independently wealthy and fiercely unconventional Pak Habib could not be had with flattery or money, but a simple ubi rebus did it!
He Did Not See as Head of OIC
Thanks to the efforts and international stature of his predecessor, Abdullah assumed the leadership of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) on becoming Prime Minister. While Mahathir was forceful in pursuing the interests of Islam and of Islamic nations in foreign forums, Abdullah has been busy maintaining his so-called “elegant silence” abroad.
His presence at the recently concluded UN General Assembly was hardly noticed, except of course by the Malaysian media. Consequently and by default, the world now increasingly views Islam and Muslims as represented by such crackpots as Iran’s Ahmadnejad.
As head of OIC, he is silent over the two continuing major tragedies occurring in the Muslim world – the American occupation of Iraq, and the horrifying human sufferings in Darfur. His silence reflects indifference. It is a measure of his callousness to human sufferings, just as he is indifferent to the fate of the many prisoners of conscience in his own country. That again reflects his understanding of Islam, and the guiding principles of his Islam Hadhari.
Closer to home, Abdullah is equally oblivious of the atrocities perpetrated by Myanmar’s thuggish military junta. As the self-proclaimed Imam of Islam Hadhari, I would have expected him to have some modicum of sympathy for the brutal oppression of those fellow leaders of faith, the monks. Alas, there was none.
In secular America, President Bush and other senior leaders have to declare publicly their income tax returns. From such disclosures the public gets to know how much these leaders have contributed to charity. It turned out that both Bush and others had contributed generously. God bless them!
Zakat (charity) is a major pillar of Islam. Although not specifically stated in its ten major principles, I would expect that Islam Hadhari too would emphasize charity. If Abdullah could afford to vacation regularly in Turkey and Australia, as well as host a multimillion ringgit Hari Raya bash, I wonder how much this Imam has donated for his zakat this year?
Abdullah and others have been busy proclaiming Malaysia to be an Islamic State. Let’s begin with that basic prerequisite of Islam: making all Muslims give their fair share of zakat. Once we have achieved that, we can then consider implementing the other rules of the Syaria.
Islam Hadhari notwithstanding, one thing is certain under Abdullah’s leadership. The rats that are his cronies and family members have been busy nibbling away at the state’s precious assets. With time all that would be left is a state treasury that resembles Swiss cheese, full of holes with only a thin crust to hold its shape. This is what happens when we have as chief executive a kaki tidor (sleepy head), or to pursue my metaphor, a cheese head (kepala kosong – empty head).
No toast to His Hollowness The Imam of Islam Hadhari. Instead, let him be toast.
(http://www.bakrimusa.com/archives/his-hollowness-the-imam-of-islam-hadhari)
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